Author Topic: What is up with the strats?  (Read 7109 times)

Offline NCLawman

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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2010, 05:23:55 PM »
Ok so let me get this straight, we don't want to fight because you chose a 110 to come and stop us?

My 110 has nothing to do with it.  If you are intentionally flying above any reasonable ceiling of the fighters, than apparently you have no desire to 'fight'.  Again, let me re-state this.... it is your dime and your computer.  However you chose to fly is fine.  Play and enjoy it however you wish.  (And I mean that sincerely).  I however have found that lately the 'strat' runners want to fly above the fighter ceiling so they don't have to fight in and out.  i.e..... don't want to fight.  So, if I have to find a fighter and climb to 40K (which I can only think the 163 and 262 will do) to even swoop in on a gaggle of bombers, it is not worth the time and effort.  Enjoy the free bomber points and milk all you want.

NOTE: admittedly, I could very well be wrong about the 40K 163 and 262.  There may be a few others, but honestly, I don't know.  I don't have the patience to find out how high each fighter goes and will still fight.
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2010, 05:42:51 PM »
My 110 has nothing to do with it.  If you are intentionally flying above any reasonable ceiling of the fighters, than apparently you have no desire to 'fight'.  Again, let me re-state this.... it is your dime and your computer.  However you chose to fly is fine.  Play and enjoy it however you wish.  (And I mean that sincerely).  I however have found that lately the 'strat' runners want to fly above the fighter ceiling so they don't have to fight in and out.  i.e..... don't want to fight.  So, if I have to find a fighter and climb to 40K (which I can only think the 163 and 262 will do) to even swoop in on a gaggle of bombers, it is not worth the time and effort.  Enjoy the free bomber points and milk all you want.

NOTE: admittedly, I could very well be wrong about the 40K 163 and 262.  There may be a few others, but honestly, I don't know.  I don't have the patience to find out how high each fighter goes and will still fight.

Actually, your 110 has alot to do with it. Knowing our altitude, you chose a fighter that has no hope up there. You're attempt to stop a strat run failed, not because of our "unwillingness to fight", but because you brought the wrong equipment. Essentially you brought a wiffle-bat to a MLB game. And I'm not trying to be insulting. You don't need the patience to figure out what to fly up there and attack us, I'm telling you. Like I said, the fighters that give us the most problems up there are 51's, 38's, TA's, typh's, 190's, of course the 262, and the 163. Next time try one of those. To be honest, I don't fly at 30k to avoid you, I'm flying to avoid the flak. We want to fight you, we're gonna get maybe 2 points off the bombing, but a whole lot more from shooting you guys down. I just don't like being downed by a piece of pixelated shrapnel and have one of ya'll get a proxy. Ok, so we're in a position of advantage. You have to climb to us, tough. We're bombers, soon as we reached 20k on the return you're going to be diving on us anyways. You're missing a big part of the challenge here, it's not to get the bombs there, but to get them there and get us back.
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2010, 07:13:38 PM »
There are plenty of us fighters up there above 20k, especially around the redesigned citys now.  I'll even get above 30K if I have any hunch of an enemy con being above 25k.  It's not easy flying and it takes more patience than even I have most nights, but I've never had a planned hi-alt fighter run disapoint me lately, at least in finding something to shoot at. 

My only complaint recently about the action in the higher altitudes is that I think it's newer and unexperienced sticks making their way up there.  I don't think I've gained the advantage on a fighter in the past week above 15K and not have it's imediate reaction be to dive straight down to the deck (and I'm talking all the way to the floor with the ACM grace of a lawn dart, leveling out only less than 2k off the tree tops).
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2010, 12:17:15 AM »
I just witnessed a Rook strat raid in LWO. Several sets of B24s in good formation, escorted by fighters... but flying "only" @20-25k.

They were slaughtered while still 2 sectors away from their target by 262's, Ta 152's, 190A8 and other models. They never had any chance. In just a few moments they were all dead.


And I'm still amazed by all this "they do it ONLY for score" statements by players that don't know anything much about score, never do any such raids or fly bombers at all, and aren't even able to get the premium high-alt fighter, the P-47M to altitude.
Players do various things for various reasons, but it seems to be trendy within any specific circle in AH do discount anything other players do or play as lame. "Scorepadding buffs! Lame furballers! GV tards!"

Fact is: Attacking the strats is not a very rewarding target in terms of score. There are targets that can give you way better score, that are much less obvious to the defenders, not protected by puffy ack and do not require several sectors flying in enemy airspace. I WISH it had more effect on score / gameplay (albeit the latter one has to be balanced) as an incentive to attack it and to balance the difficulty and invested time. (A single mission can easily take up to 2 hours)
Fact is: Unless you are lucky (single bomber sneaking through at off-peak times), you most probably won't make it to your target if flying at 20k. Contrary to what I read in this thread, there are many fighter capable to fly to any altitude the bombers are able to reach: 47's, Ponies, 109K-4, Spit 9 & 14. And they have lot of time to see you coming...
Fact is: The 262, of which only 2 are needed to shred any but the largest missions, is getting difficult to fly above ~27k, altitude is almost the only way for the buffs to make it more difficult for the jet pilots. Which will almost invariably show up, because of the long warning times and very predictable targets the buffs are going to.
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2010, 02:22:31 AM »
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NOTE: admittedly, I could very well be wrong about the 40K 163 and 262.  There may be a few others, but honestly, I don't know.  I don't have the patience to find out how high each fighter goes and will still fight.

There are many many many fighters that can go far far above any of the bombers ceiling. The bombers could not have escorts if there were not fighters that could go that high. You have just run into the historical reason the 110 was useless against the same bombers in r/l.

The whole reason the moonbat spitballing heroes dont want you going that high and the reason they give mouth service against this kind of fun is because they want everyone low so they can max their kill ratios and time ratios. The 'score potato' insults are thrown out there because you are ruining the moonbats score by not sticking together in a nice tight pack of noobs for them and they dont want to waste their time ratios coming up to get you. The whole 'we fought on the weak side' isnt because they want more numbers to kill but so they can get their perk rides. If anything there are your score potatoes right there.

Dont buy into their mental illness its all a trick to get you mad or make you fly to their game ('these arent the droids your looking for'). They actually believe you would buy it just because it was them selling it.  :rofl
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2010, 02:26:17 AM »
They actually believe you would buy it just because it was them selling it.

To be blunt, I don't think anyone would buy what you're selling... at least not ever again.
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2010, 04:06:43 AM »
To be blunt, I don't think anyone would buy what you're selling... at least not ever again.

I think I'm missing something here.  :huh

Lusche, you said they took a formation of 24's up? Let me guess, you saw a whole bunch of flying fireballs didn't ya? That's one thing we noticed about the 24's. Granted they carry more 1k's and have comparable firepower to the 17, things are a little twitchy with them. They seem to take about 2 sectors to fully stabilize, 17 takes about 1/2 a sector. In terms of bomb loadout, they carry the same amount of 500's as the 17, so for bombing the city there's no advantage. Also the range just doesn't seem to be there. The biggest thing we noticed is durability. They can take fuselage and tail hits all day long, but god help you with the engine. I swear I've seen Betty go inverted over the top of me and shoot my engine with a slingshot. Poof, instant marshmallow toaster. They seem to catch fire way to easily. That's one of the reasons I won't up 24's for a strat run. 17's just have more durability. Now that being said, all that is based on just our experience in testing the 2 bombers against one another. If that was the tendencies of the 2 in real life, I do not know. That's just the way it seems in game. I'm still looking for a tactic to use the 24 in. 17's are my 15k an up bombers. For NOE, all I need is 3 forms of 26's with pilots who know how to calibrate. I can take a base/town out in one pass, and survive with all drones attached. Trick is to go full throttle and drop at 800 feet. That tactic actually has replaced the Lanc for base busting. 25c's are my Hi-ENY base busters. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2010, 07:19:16 AM »


Dont buy into their mental illness its all a trick to get you mad or make you fly to their game ('these arent the droids your looking for'). They actually believe you would buy it just because it was them selling it.  :rofl
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2010, 02:42:19 PM »
ink...

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There are many many many fighters that can go far far above any of the bombers ceiling. The bombers could not have escorts if there were not fighters that could go that high. You have just run into the historical reason the 110 was useless against the same bombers in r/l.

The whole reason the moonbat spitballing heroes don't want you going that high and the reason they give mouth service against this kind of fun is because they want everyone low so they can max their kill ratios and time ratios. The 'score potato' insults are thrown out there because you are ruining the moonbats score by not sticking together in a nice tight pack of noobs for them and they dont want to waste their time ratios coming up to get you. The whole 'we fought on the weak side' isnt because they want more numbers to kill but so they can get their perk rides. If anything there are your score potatoes right there.

Dont buy into their mental illness its all a trick to get you mad or make you fly to their game ('these arent the droids your looking for'). They actually believe you would buy it just because it was them selling it.  :rofl

so whats up?????????  you voss???????  if you are...lowest of the low... well child molester I put worse but that's it, you should quit this game and never come back NO one wants you in here except the ones you are beguiling again.....NOW if you are truly NOT this VOSS    why the hell would you let people think you are??? I would do every thing I could to straighten out the truth, which should not be all that difficult.

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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2010, 09:44:25 PM »
accepted

Thank you, things have been rather like a roller coaster here. Hopefully the description of the strat run will give a bit of insight into what I was talking about.

so whats up?????????  you voss???????  if you are...lowest of the low... well child molester I put worse but that's it, you should quit this game and never come back NO one wants you in here except the ones you are beguiling again.....NOW if you are truly NOT this VOSS    why the hell would you let people think you are??? I would do every thing I could to straighten out the truth, which should not be all that difficult.

Yea, I'm definitely missing something here. Who the hell is Voss?
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2010, 11:06:23 PM »


Yea, I'm definitely missing something here. Who the hell is Voss?
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2010, 11:31:20 PM »


Yea, I'm definitely missing something here. Who the hell is Voss?
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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2010, 11:42:33 PM »
A tool of epic proportions. It's long story involving the CIA, F-16's and a scorpion. :rolleyes:
Well a f-16 was on a noe mission intercept out of the west, heading 090 over my place yesterday. Maybe it was Voss?  :D:bolt:

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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2010, 11:54:38 PM »
To be blunt, I don't think anyone would buy what you're selling... at least not ever again.


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Re: What is up with the strats?
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2010, 02:31:48 AM »
A tool of epic proportions. It's long story involving the CIA, F-16's and a scorpion. :rolleyes:

You're kidding right? I'm gonna have to do a search for this.

*edit* Wow. I didn't think it was possible to tie a F-16, CIA, and a scorpion together, but he managed that with a P-51, 2 PhD's and a brain tumor? Sounds like a bad James Bond film meets Monty Python. And he's still running around?
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