so called "gaps"

[1Boner]

Don't forget to add that without a perk cost or even a low perk cost, the B-29 would render all other bombers to essentially hanger queen status.

ack-ack

Not too sure about that.

I would give it a shot with a perk cost that wasn't astronomical and see what happens from there.

If it turns out to have a huge impact on the game, adjust accordingly.

But I would also give it a little time before adjustment to allow for the initial high usage (and abusage) that most new planes receive.

And as far as 29stukas go, I think I would probably see that as often as I see the infamous "Lancstukas", which isn't very often.

[Wingnutt]

limit the 29 to only large airfields, high perk cost..  done..

sure lots of people have many thousands of perks, but if they fly the 29 exclusivly and abuse it like so many people fear, they will in good time run out.

[Shamrock]

They have been published in the past yet for some reason never accepted. The method of rejection greatly resembled that of gorillas in D.C.

true dat!!!!

[Shamrock]

people always ask for "gap fillers" or other planes that have "historic" significance.  So HTC adds planes like the Brewster, and the... whatever that other little thing was..  people fly them for a day or 2 and then you seldom see them.

then they add planes that actually have some purpose and use in the bulk aspect of the game (MA) like the M Jug, and they got flown alot.

so.. better investment of time..  aircraft that are "novel" and will be used by 5% of the player base regularly, and largely ignored by the rest..  or aircraft that will actually be seen in the skies more than once in a blue moon..

not my decision of course, just thinking out loud.

yes thats true but remember this....i used to see the BREW alot bot hardly anymore....we already have all the historic planes lets add some...but i understand wre ur coming from 

[GlassJaw]

And don't allow formations.

limit the 29 to only large airfields, high perk cost..  done..

sure lots of people have many thousands of perks, but if they fly the 29 exclusivly and abuse it like so many people fear, they will in good time run out.

[Strip]

No offense but that's not viable, your limiting a plane defense and offensive capabilities by doing that. Effectively you would turn the B-29 into a little faster, more weakly armed set of B-17s.

B-17 ordnance carried per set ~18,000lbs...

B-29 ordnance carried per plane ~16,000 lbs...

Even with ~50 mph (at 30K) disadvantage I would rather take the defense ability and survival rate of a set. By the time you add perk cost the B-17 would win out handily, perk em or make em singles. Not both....

Strip

[Karnak]

If/when the B-29 is added it will have the following:

No nuke.

Formations enabled.

A high perk cost.


All of that is obvious.  As to the high perk cost, HTC seems to prefer adjusting down to adjusting up.

[Shifty]

then they add planes that actually have some purpose and use in the bulk aspect of the game (MA) like the M Jug, and they got flown alot.

What purpose and use in the bulk of the game are you referring to? The M Jug was another gap filler one of the few for late war setups. It has no air to ground ability for fighting teh warz! So how does that help in the bulk aspect of the game?
Other than the die hard P-47  fans who fly the plane for the pure love of it. The Ms biggest use is by people who want to boom and zoom furballs with little or no chance of being killed. Pretty much what your average B-29 beggar wants. All the advantage and little chance of having to deal with the inconvenience of having to fight.

[Strip]

lmao Shifty....

aboYour arguement is so ludicrous its insane, to insinuate that all B-29 fans are merely requesting it to avoid a fight is retarded.

The B-29 is probably the best piston powered heavy bomber ever built, most certainly built in WW2. It was responsible for ending the war in the Pacific and would have bombed Japan into the ground even without the atom bomb. How much ordnance did the B-29 drop, how many sorties, how many built? The reasons for wanting the B-29 are numerous, not specifically to avoid a fight. After all the Me-262, and the Ar-234 have a legitimate case for being "untouchable" under those terms.

Strip

[Shifty]

lmao Shifty....

aboYour arguement is so ludicrous its insane, to insinuate that all B-29 fans are merely requesting it to avoid a fight is retarded.

The B-29 is probably the best piston powered heavy bomber ever built, most certainly built in WW2. It was responsible for ending the war in the Pacific and would have bombed Japan into the ground even without the atom bomb. How much ordnance did the B-29 drop, how many sorties, how many built? The reasons for wanting the B-29 are numerous, not specifically to avoid a fight. After all the Me-262, and the Ar-234 have a legitimate case for being "untouchable" under those terms.

Strip

I said average B-29 beggar not every B-29 fan. Strip you should never put yourself in a position where somebody who's statement you just discribed as insane and retarded has to correct you. Unless of course you're the actual insane retard... Then by all means carry on.  

[LLogann]

Since we have gone completely into Hijack Mode...........

I have seen countless people not be able to bomb a dam thing........  We can sit here and call it precision bombing all we want.........  But it's only precise for about 59 of us. 

The rest of them will drop 4 1k (4x3 in formation) bombs just to kill a hanger the same as they do now.  Nothing changes. 

And the anti people..... OK, you're a fighter jock?  Aren't you tired of killing Lancs?  Or are you too much a popsicleCAT to accept the idea of a harder target?  Good thing none of you work for my military. 

[Shifty]

OK, you're a fighter jock?  Aren't you tired of killing Lancs?  Or are you too much a popsicleCAT to accept the idea of a harder target?  Good thing none of you work for my military.  

Good point, on the other hand. Just how uber of a bomber do you guys need to kill buildings that are not fighting back? You can't get it done with the current lineup? Glad you didn't serve in my military.
I'm not anti B-29 btw I'm for every WWII aircraft possible to be in this sim. Arguing about it is pointless anyway since the aircraft will be added as the owner of the company sees fit.  

[Wingnutt]

What purpose and use in the bulk of the game are you referring to? The M Jug was another gap filler one of the few for late war setups. It has no air to ground ability for fighting teh warz! So how does that help in the bulk aspect of the game?
Other than the die hard P-47  fans who fly the plane for the pure love of it. The Ms biggest use is by people who want to boom and zoom furballs with little or no chance of being killed. Pretty much what your average B-29 beggar wants. All the advantage and little chance of having to deal with the inconvenience of having to fight.

the M jug is not a "gap filler" it was the absolute APEX of the (service) P47 lineage, not having it would make as much sense as having every P51 except the D.

it its flown by more than Jug heads, because its a competitive ride, fast, good climb, good guns.  

Ms biggest use is by people who want to boom and zoom furballs with little or no chance of being killed
all 190s, K4, 51D, ... hell any plane that doesent compress before 500mph..   pot, kettle..

and the 29 would be used like any other bomber in the game.. to make things on the ground vanish, it would just be better at in than the rest.

[Wingnutt]

Good point, on the other hand. Just how uber of a bomber do you guys need to kill buildings that are not fighting back? You can't get it done with the current lineup? Glad you didn't serve in my military.
I'm not anti B-29 btw I'm for every WWII aircraft possible to be in this sim. Arguing about it is pointless anyway since the aircraft will be added as the owner of the company sees fit.  

Right genius.. becuase thats the gist of every bombing mission, fly in uncontested and bomb buildings..  no buff driver ever has to contend with fighters or ack..  so yea.. thats why you see so many Ju88 pilots..

 

[Shifty]

the M jug is not a "gap filler" it was the absolute APEX of the (service) P47 lineage, not having it would make as much sense as having every P51 except the D.
it its flown by more than Jug heads, because its a competitive ride, fast, good climb, good guns.  

Ms biggest use is by people who want to boom and zoom furballs with little or no chance of being killed
all 190s, K4, 51D, ... hell any plane that doesent compress before 500mph..   pot, kettle..

and the 29 would be used like any other bomber in the game.. to make things on the ground vanish, it would just be better at in than the rest.

 The M is a gap filler, it's been asked for by P-47 guys since I moved to this sim in 2001 for late war ETO scenarios. As far as why people beside P-47 fans fly it...Thanks for making my point, it's perfect booming and zooming unmolested through furballs right along with the other usual suspects you listed. Although you did leave out the Tempest and Typhoon.

Right genius.. becuase thats the gist of every bombing mission, fly in uncontested and bomb buildings..  no buff driver ever has to contend with fighters or ack..  so yea.. thats why you see so many Ju88 pilots..

 

Again thanks for making my point. If the JU-88 is so uber I guess there's no need for the B-29 after all since all you guys that want to fly around unmolested can just use the JU-88 or AR-234. Brilliant observation and you call me genius.