First flight for the Russian "F-22"

[Die Hard]

I beg to differ. All our secret stealth planes were known to the world before their existence were made public. Even if we called them by the wrong designation like the F-19. The Russians have never fielded anything during the Cold War that you couldn't read about in Jane's the same year.

[Die Hard]

Current NATO deployment times (since the new force structure of 2006): Air Forces: 24 hours. High readiness ground forces: 48 hours. Low readiness forces (aka follow-up forces and mobilization) 7-15 days.

[KgB]

I think alot more can be said about who has the better planes, tanks, ships, etc. by just looking at how well they have stood up in combat. Anyone can sit down and talk about how good something will be when its on the drawing board, but in real combat is were it will shine or burn.

Mhhh.... i thought Nazi's had better stuff in WW2. By the way, why do you guys think that Russia needs to invade useless land with no resources?
It almost appears that USA cold war victory was a mistake. I mean, with wealthy economy Russians will produce better weapons, right?

[Die Hard]

Mhhh.... i thought Nazi's had better stuff in WW2.

They did.

[KgB]

They did.

You lost me, better stuff doesn't guarantee victory(i referred to Nazi's), more stuff might.

[321BAR]

They did.

EW and MW they did

[Die Hard]

The tour guide at the tank museum near Berlin was an old Tiger driver during the war. This was in the 90s btw. He said the Tiger was a match for ten T-34s... The problem was that there was always twelve of them. And that sums up the Eastern Front as far as quality of equipment is concerned.

The problem these days is that the Russians only have one T-something for every Abrams/Leopard/Challenger/Leclerc.

[Die Hard]

EW and MW they did

EW they didn't (T-34 introduced at the battle of Moscow in 1941). MW and LW they did.

[321BAR]

EW they didn't (T-34 introduced at the battle of Moscow in 1941). MW and LW they did.

overall they did...aircraft sir? just because the russians had the T34 that doesnt mean it was the ONLY country they were fighting. and also the I16 was the main soviet air craft until 1943...

[Die Hard]

We were talking tanks. In aircraft the Germans always had the better planes vs. Russia, just not enough of them to fight Russia, and the rest of the world.

[321BAR]

We were talking tanks. In aircraft the Germans always had the better planes vs. Russia, just not enough of them to fight Russia, and the rest of the world.

kgb quoted a post about planes tanks etc. he also said nothing of just armor. you just took that road and Russian airforce weaponry surpassed Germany in 1944

[Penguin]

Don't forget, if everything goes wrong, the President of the US or the Prime Minister of Russia could always turn that little brass key and turn the world into a ball of radioactive glass.

-Penguin

[321BAR]

Don't forget, if everything goes wrong, the President of the US or the Prime Minister of Russia could always turn that little brass key and turn the world into a ball of radioactive glass.

-Penguin

theres alot more to it than that

[Penguin]

But there isn't that much more after that!

-Penguin

[321BAR]

But there isn't that much more after that!

-Penguin

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