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Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« on: January 30, 2010, 02:06:25 PM »
Most squads got the side they asked for but as usual its not possible to accomodate everybody. My thanks to all who expressed an interest in CiC duty as well. :salute

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http://ahevents.org/fso/view_assignments.html

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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 03:35:42 PM »
Allied Frame 2 CiC, confirmed.

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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 10:41:02 PM »
Frame 2 Axis C-in-C, confirmed.   :salute


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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 02:21:55 AM »
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Most squads got the side they asked for but as usual its not possible to accomodate everybody.

I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft.  That particular request sheet does not seem to be used.  :confused:

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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 09:19:29 AM »
Frame 1 objectives sent.

5th AF is Allied and AoM is Axis CiC for frame 1.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2010, 09:24:30 AM by Squire »
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 10:19:23 AM »
I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft.  That particular request sheet does not seem to be used.  :confused:
If you mean not used by the COs, well it's not required but they need not complain about getting a raw deal.

If you mean by the CMs and CiCs:
I'll let a CM answer for them, but I'll take a swing at the CiC part of it.
There are several factors at play here. First you have the ones that requested the other side and did not update for the rides available to the side they got. Then there's the ones that don't request any ride. And sometimes you have the ones that let it ride so their requests are for rides not available on either side.

Next is the selection of what is available vs what needs to get done and the division of manpower to fill the seats. A CiC should also look at what each squad did in the last 3 frames (in my case 6 frames) to make sure everyone get a fair turn between egg chucking and fighters. This in itself can reduce the number of squads that get what they asked for.

Next is a CiC personal way of doing things. I get the impression that a large squad split between bombers and close escort does slightly better than 2 or 3 squads combined in a package. I also choose not to overwhelm CAP but only to distract and draw them down. And I've see 3 smaller squads split defence into 3 areas: sweep tanglers, escort strippers and bomber killers. So I tend to think along those lines. All this can further erode the ride request list.

Then it's back to the rides requested to see if I can swap rides or duties to try and get them what they asked for. In the end only half ask for anything that I could really give them and of that only half get what they ask for.

But would you rather not be asked what you would like to be put in?  If nothing else it gives some the chance to volunteer for bombers or planes that are fun for a particular squad.
And not getting what you what can have unforeseen benefits. I learned a few things about the 39Q this last go round.  
    
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 10:59:44 AM »
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I'm not too sure why anyone even requests what side they would like to fly on or what type of aircraft.  That particular request sheet does not seem to be used.
I know for a fact it is used every month by the Admin CM's.

As for the CiC's/C.O.'s what RSL said. Some obviously don't even look at it. Others (I think I can say most others) do look and try to get squads the rides they want. Sometimes it is just not possible.

Jackraid I am sorry if you or your squad did not get the side they want, but we have all been there. Sometimes a couple months in a row. If it is something else then PM me and bend my ear. :) I will be glad to hear you out.

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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 11:20:27 AM »
Last minute change due to JG53 being added.

DAMNED are now Allied, JG53 is Axis.
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 11:30:47 AM »
For me, I don't really care what a squad flew last week, or the week before that, or the week before that. The CiC has a LOT to juggle just planning for HIS mission as it is, much less now worrying about what some guy did five weeks ago.

I always look at these factors, in this order:

What do I NEED? What do I need to get the job done? Can I get away with fewer dedicated strike craft by having some of my escorts packing heavy?

Who do I HAVE? If I have the AKs and VF-17, I'm going to do whatever I can to get them in Corsairs because I KNOW these are squads who know how to use her to best effect. If I have a squadron that I know is VERY good at level-bombing, even if they request fighters there's a good chance I may put them in bombers because I KNOW that they can get the job done in that role.

What are my squadrons' historical rides? If a squad has a historical ride set I try to work that in.

What do they WANT to fly? I try my best to work in my squads' ride requests. However when you have one squadron out of a dozen that requests bombers, I'm sorry but SOMEONE isn't going to fly fighters that frame. If you request a bomber there's a very good chance you'll get it when I'm CiC.
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 11:32:59 AM »
I have no issues with what rides the CIC's give out.  Most CIC's try to honor your requests or they ask you if you would mind flying something else.  Their planning can be a challenge in itself.  

My issue is that we do not want to fly the Japanese plane set.   Pretty broad statement, but here are my reasons:  We have flown for the Emperor for the last 4 out of 5  Japanese FSO's.  

1) Too little too late - Philippines    Side - Japan
2) Tacloban Tango -                    Side -  Japan
3) Marianas Turkey shoot             Side - Japan
4) Bougainville Privateers             Side- Japan
5) Operation August storm was the only FSO  where we flew against the axis.  

Sorry for the complaint / whine but having to be on the Japanese side yet again I couldn't hold it.








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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 11:43:24 AM »
Jack,

The best recommendation I can make is to carefully pick and choose which setups you chose to fly Allied. I don't personally care for the German Iron (I can't hit squat with those guns and visibility over the nose is god awful) but my squadron normally flies Axis in ETO to avoid the "no Allied 3-4 times in a row" rule so we can make sure to be entering a PTO scenario fresh off having flown Axis. The only time I make exceptions and might fly Allied in that time is if I know that the next PTO isn't for another 2-3 months.

I'm sure you can imagine our frustration that over the last year we've flown as many as 3 ETO/MTO/North Africa scenarios in a row for every 1 PTO setup.
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 02:44:17 PM »
Jack,

I can well appreicate your frustrations, I've been with a squad for almost 2years now, this is the first time we will have had a chance to fly a hog since I've been playing.  Quite frankly we were told by our CO, not to expect to fly allies.  Whatever the reasons, we got it, it will be a nice change.

Now the following is just my opinion only, Saxman, while agree with some of what you post about Cic, I can't say I agree with it all.  It come across as if you say it is ok to assign a squad, bombers or some other less desirable ride, to please others, even if it means that squad has to do it 3 frames in a row.   Having been in that boat, it ain't fun.  So looking at what a squad did last week, is important and should be taken into consideration.  And yes, I have done Cic.


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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 02:52:03 PM »
j500ss,

I put the burden of "We've flown such and such mission 4 times straight" on the squad C/Os, as IMO the C/O SHOULD be proactive if he feels his squadron is getting overworked on a particular mission profile.
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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 02:56:59 PM »
Got it  :aok  Thanks for the clarification on that one    :salute

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Re: Side assignments and CiCs set for "Armageddon" FSO
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2010, 03:34:55 PM »
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