BIG BIG cannons!!

[Boozeman]

Comparing the tankbuster Stuka with the IL-2 and the Hurri 2D, I see quite some usage due to it's gun setup:

It has by far the highest MV (30% more than the IL-2, almost twice that of the Hurricane) with a round power right between them. THis will be a snipers weapon...and probably a nightmare for flakpanzers.     

[Megalodon]

I agree with Del.

Ju-87 with the gun pods had very short ammo clip. Like 8 rounds each.

12 rounds ...still short! but worth putting in game.

[Karnak]

Theres nothing wrong with self imposed restrictions Del, for a lot of people its thier main reason for keeping an interest in the game. I know in the case of the Stuka and the ground attack role its something I would like to get into to widen my scope in the game above fighters.

 I fly it from time to time but my options to fly it are restricted because any GVer in his right mind won't attack a field with ords up to have himself carpet bombed by low Lancs, so where theres GVs theres no ords I cannot fly or I fly from another base and have to drop my ords to dogfight someone which, amusing as it is, isn't the reason I upped in the first place.

Does that mean that a player who only flies Japanese would be justified in demanding the Ki-102-Ib and that their argument claiming it was equally valid as, say, a Beaufighter despite its almost zero combat record would be correct?

[Lusche]

Comparing the tankbuster Stuka with the IL-2 and the Hurri 2D, I see quite some usage due to it's gun setup:

It has by far the highest MV (30% more than the IL-2, almost twice that of the Hurricane) with a round power right between them. THis will be a snipers weapon...and probably a nightmare for flakpanzers.     

This would be a good argument if the IL-2'S 37mm cannon had trouble penetrating the armor of any GV in AH... but it hasn't. As long as there is no GV with enough armor to push the NS-37 to it's limits, the Shturmovik is holding all cards compared to the 87G.
Once upon a time, there actually was such a situation: When the Il-2 had only the 23mm option. At that time the Hurri D had a performance advantage when engaging Tiger & T-34/76. Today, with the overpowering  37mm, the Hurri D gets more selected for sentimental reasons

And as a Wirbel driver, I would be glad if the cannon bird upping for me was a Ju-87 G. Slow, vulnerable and only little ammo. Much less dangerous than a Il-2 or a B-25H.

[kilo2]

Ju-87 G-1 and D3 are the same except that the G1 has the cannons. +1

[pervert]

And as a Wirbel driver, I would be glad if the cannon bird upping for me was a Ju-87 G. Slow, vulnerable and only little ammo. Much less dangerous than a Il-2 or a B-25H.

Hello! I'd drive the Stuka up behind you while your looking at the sky boom!  Stukas can drive on the ground at full speed! 

[pervert]

Does that mean that a player who only flies Japanese would be justified in demanding the Ki-102-Ib and that their argument claiming it was equally valid as, say, a Beaufighter despite its almost zero combat record would be correct?

I see what you're getting at but not the relevence sorry.

[CountD90]

I must agree with the above, the G series of the stuka saw a lot of combat. So I don't see the point about bringing combat service into this with a totally different plane.

[Karnak]

I am pointing out that the fact that you don't have a German tank buster is 100% irrelevant.

The aircraft should be added or not on its own merits, not anything else.

[Boozeman]

This would be a good argument if the IL-2'S 37mm cannon had trouble penetrating the armor of any GV in AH... but it hasn't. As long as there is no GV with enough armor to push the NS-37 to it's limits, the Shturmovik is holding all cards compared to the 87G.
Once upon a time, there actually was such a situation: When the Il-2 had only the 23mm option. At that time the Hurri D had a performance advantage when engaging Tiger & T-34/76. Today, with the overpowering  37mm, the Hurri D gets more selected for sentimental reasons

And as a Wirbel driver, I would be glad if the cannon bird upping for me was a Ju-87 G. Slow, vulnerable and only little ammo. Much less dangerous than a Il-2 or a B-25H.

There is no doubt that the IL-2 overall is the more effective anti-tank aircraft. But I think the 87G would still have its merits. It would have the best ballistics for superior long range shots. That is certainly appealing - not just for tankbusting.

BTW, does the flak 18 have better armor penetration than the NS37 ?
   

[pervert]

I am pointing out that the fact that you don't have a German tank buster is 100% irrelevant.

The aircraft should be added or not on its own merits, not anything else.

What do you consider the 'merits' of the existing stuka?

[Bruv119]

+1  for  the stuka ,  aswell as  the mossie 57mm molins gun!!   

[BaldEagl]

It won't be... I'll bet the Il2 will still get more use due to the greater amount of rounds it carries, even with the larger of the 2 caliber guns it carries.

Not to mention it's ability to take hits.

But yes, I'd like to see the gun pods on the Stuka.  I love that plane and a small clips not a problem.  No more so than the Hurri IID.

[druski85]

What do you consider the 'merits' of the existing stuka?

N00k 

Saw a 2 weeker ask the other day if it would kill a tank.   

[Karnak]

What do you consider the 'merits' of the existing stuka?

I wasn't arguing against the Ju87G, I was arguing against the argument being used to support it.  I don't think that argument is valid and I think it might weaken the case for the Ju87G.

As to the Ju87G, I think it has more validity than the Il-2 armed with 37mm cannons and really see no reason for HTC not to add it when they update the Ju87.  I'd also like to see an actual Battle of Britain/France/Norway/Poland Ju87 added when they are updated.