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Re: so how much damage can...
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2010, 03:51:20 AM »
Ironically, studies after the war showed that that safest position on a B-17 and B-24 was the ball turret with the pilot position being the most dangerous.


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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2010, 06:49:41 PM »
The P-51B is a poor choice to attack B-17's with, especially if the guy behind the guns knows how to shoot.  Anytime someone upped a 51 against my bombers, I would sit and think, "WHAT are you thinking???  You are just asking to be flamed."  Which, shortly there after, I chase them off or bring them down.

Which is why I was lagging behind at D850. The guy wrecked my oil, luck it was only a small leak.


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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2010, 01:16:45 PM »
The P-51B is a poor choice to attack B-17's with, especially if the guy behind the guns knows how to shoot.  Anytime someone upped a 51 against my bombers, I would sit and think, "WHAT are you thinking???  You are just asking to be flamed." 

No, the P-51B is not a poor choice to attack B-17s.  The B Mustang can shoot them down quite easily if the pilot knows how to properly engage bombers.  All you described was a Mustang driver that had no clue about how to attack a bomber and attacked from the dead six position, which is rather stupid.

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2010, 01:40:07 PM »
just out of curiosity, is it possible to dive bomb a b17 in the game?   ( attack the b17 by dive bombing )
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2010, 02:33:36 PM »
just out of curiosity, is it possible to dive bomb a b17 in the game?   ( attack the b17 by dive bombing )

Yes but your timing has to be excellent and can't be off one bit.  I did manage a few years ago taking out a formation of Lancasters that were flying NOE off the deck about 50ft or so with a BFB from the Ju 87D-3.  It was one of those 'one in a billion' kind of shots, I got really lucky and dropped the bomb (not thinking I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting kill) so it would explode just a hair ahead of the Lancaster formation.  To my surprise, the resulting blast from the BFB was sufficient enough to take out all three Lancasters.  I have tried many, many times to see if I could do it again and never have been able to.


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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2010, 06:28:07 PM »
I've had it happen to me, but it was a lanc that killed me and my buddies attacking a tank.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2010, 10:34:09 PM »
No, the P-51B is not a poor choice to attack B-17s.  The B Mustang can shoot them down quite easily if the pilot knows how to properly engage bombers.  All you described was a Mustang driver that had no clue about how to attack a bomber and attacked from the dead six position, which is rather stupid.

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Ack-Ack, I didn't say they made a "Dead 6" attack, though most of the 51 drivers that upped against me lost patience, then committed to a dead 6 attack and were usually downed.  In fact, some of the people who uped a P-51 to intercept my bombers, make beautiful attack passes on me.  They were patient, setting up nicely before committing to the attack pass.  It's these folks I tend to end up chasing away and not downing.  I should have stated it as a personal opinion that the P-51B is a poor choice.  That's my own fault there and I got called on it.  But you still stand a better chance of downing a B-17 in something with heavier firepower than you would a P-51B.  Of course that does not mean you CAN'T down them with a 51B. :aok  The Tail Gunner bit of my post was referring to a Tail Gunner who fell 20,000 feet and survived, and was awarded a medal by the Germans.  It turns out, it was a B-17 ball turret gunner that fell 22,000 feet.  Here's two links about my bit on the subject.  It also turns out it was an RAF Tail Gunner who fell 18,000 feet, that was awarded a certificate by the Germans, not a medal.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1071076/posts
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?173042-Amazing-Parachute-Survival-Falls-of-WWII

I just typed in, "WW2 bomber gunner survives high altitude fall" into the google search bar.  So if you are uncomfortable with the 1st link, you can type in what I did into the search bar and see it through that.

Yes but your timing has to be excellent and can't be off one bit.  I did manage a few years ago taking out a formation of Lancasters that were flying NOE off the deck about 50ft or so with a BFB from the Ju 87D-3.  It was one of those 'one in a billion' kind of shots, I got really lucky and dropped the bomb (not thinking I had a snowball's chance in hell of getting kill) so it would explode just a hair ahead of the Lancaster formation.  To my surprise, the resulting blast from the BFB was sufficient enough to take out all three Lancasters.  I have tried many, many times to see if I could do it again and never have been able to.


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Yeah.  You have to love those, "once in a life time" situations.  I had a similar situation happen to me once.  I had upped a 109K against a formation of B-24's and this guy was doing everything he could to ruin my setups.  I eventually got some distance ahead of him and had JUST started my turn to make my attack pass when he turned in the opposite direction of my turn and dove (I have to give him credit. He was doing well in evasive action).  It turned what would've been a solid head on shot, into a high deflection snap shot.  As we were very close to one of his bases, it was the last pass I intended to make.  I pulled hard on the stick (was using a mouse and was closing in on him at around 400 MPH) to just get the nose ahead of one of his bombers and fired off a single 30mm shell.  I got an oil hit as I zipped by his formation (which I nearly rammed), and jinxed away.  I didn't think it would connect at all but when I checked the buffer, it said, "You shot down (I forgot his name)".  Oh how I so wish I had activated my recorder prior to engaging.  I managed to bring the plane home to boot, though I don't think 2 1/2 sectors is overly far for a wounded 109K at 2k alt (the alt I was at after I was done jinxing and still had a lot of speed).

This question remains, Will our B-17's be able to withstand extensive damage as the ones that were brought home during WW2, with the new damage system update?

Here is a site I found that contained many pictures of damage sustained to B-17's.
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm

Again, if anything like this happened to us, we go poof.  The B-17 is really an amazing aircraft.  Damage like these brought down just about everything else, but not the Flying Fortress.  You must give credit to those who designed and made this plane as it really did save a lot of guys from capture or worse. :salute
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Re: so how much damage can...
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2010, 10:46:06 PM »
The P-51B is a poor choice to attack B-17's with, especially if the guy behind the guns knows how to shoot.  Anytime someone upped a 51 against my bombers, I would sit and think, "WHAT are you thinking???  You are just asking to be flamed."  Which, shortly there after, I chase them off or bring them down.  Even if they used good tactics, I find 51's easy pickings when I'm flying bombers, especially the B-17.  It's when they up any German fighter, I tend to worry.  The A-8's scares me the most, personally, as they are not something easily brought down and carry 4 20mm cannons.  It wasn't nick named the "Butcher Bird" for nothing.  It's also the choice I use for bomber interception.  I don't tend to take the 30mm cannon option, but rather, the 20mm.

I recall reading somewhere, that a tail gunner got shot out of his B-17 (or bailed due to a fire), fell 20,000 feet and survived.  If I recall correctly, his main problem with the whole ordeal was he couldn't get a cigarette lit while he was falling.  The Germans captured him and actually gave him a medal for that.  I'm having a bit of trouble trying to find this story though. :headscratch:


This was actually a story relating to a British rear gunner in a Wellington bomber, although you could be referring to a similar event, I read the newspaper clipping from 42/43 i believe, that was in a glass case at the Visiting Aircraft Section, at RAF Shawbury in England. It referred to a rear gunner who's a/c had been hit close to the English coast by a German night fighter, the a/c caught fire and the gunners parachute was burned, he chose to bail without it, saying he would rather die hitting the ground than burning to death.

Anyway, as i remember he bailed at 20000ft and he recalled the stars spinning around him, when he subsequently opened his eyes, the stars were static and he had landed almost uninjured in a freshly ploughed field.
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Re: so how much damage can...
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2010, 10:59:24 PM »
Volron, what is your game ID?
I wana see if I shot you down.
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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2010, 11:08:55 PM »
Volron, what is your game ID?
I wana see if I shot you down.

Nope.  You can't possible have shot me down, not within the last 6 months anyways. :lol  That's when my net died and I lost my account to deletion.  Real life has a way of sneaking up on you and working you over.  I'm Rook and my GameID is the same as my forum name. :aok
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2010, 11:16:22 PM »
Nice, I fly rook too. Yeah, life can sneak up on you at times.
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Re: so how much damage can...
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2010, 04:09:44 PM »
Not to hi-jack the thread but i do have this pic of a lanc with several holes in it. It wasn't missing any controls though.

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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2010, 04:25:40 PM »
One shell from a262 in the wing of a B17.



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Re: so how much damage can...
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2010, 08:35:27 PM »
just out of curiosity, is it possible to dive bomb a b17 in the game?   ( attack the b17 by dive bombing )
I think you'd probably enjoy the German Fused rockets on the 109, 190, & 110. They are the gray tubes in the wing drop section to your left on the screen. They detonate at 1k flight time/distance. which of course changes slightly with your speed, dive angle, & closing speed, whether you are going head to head or trailing. I'm not fully proficient yet, but love playing with them and learning. I killed 2 Lancs today with one rocket following in a 190-k8?.  The other day I killed diving in front of Lancs on their high 12 and fired at between 3 & 2.5K. So there's a big difference how you approach, but the loud Bang! (Like anti aircraft battery) is lots of fun & surprises them.   :banana:
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2010, 11:37:05 AM »
My dear ol' AH B-17 Soozy Poo made it home once missing all her ailerons and elevators; the rudder remained effective and was enough to initiate and hold gentle turns, and funky throttle control established just the right rate of sink to grease her onto the runway.

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