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Offline GADGET

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« on: May 13, 2000, 11:32:00 AM »
Dear Pyro:
 
I had to write some "flight manuals" for my squad pals, and during the process I have discovered some interesting facts. HITECH ask me to pass these hints to you, as they might be helpful on the improvement of the P-38L flight model. I have been studing old USAAC intructional films, the original P-38L Flight Manual (50+ years old... and a tresure in our family as it once belonged to my father in law when he flew P-38s), other several technical books and all coincide in the following items:
 
EGINES RPM: I have noticed that the power settings and engine rpm on the AH P-38L FM are inacurate, and maybe this has something to do with the reported lack of acleration. The P-38Ls were equiped with Allison V-1710-111 for the right wing and Allison V-1710-113 for the left wing, able to reach 3.000 rpm in normal operation, being these the recommended power settings, acording to the original aircraft manual:
    TAKEOFF AND MILITARY:    3000 RPM    54"    AUTO RICH    162 GALS/HOUR/ENGINE
    WAR EMERGENCY:            3000 RPM    60"    AUTO RICH    160 GALS/HOUR/ENGINE
    NORMAL RATED:                2600 RPM    44"    AUTO RICH    115 GALS/HOUR/ENGINE
    MAXIMUM CRUISE:             2300 RPM    35"    AUTO LEAN    _60 GALS/HOUR/ENGINE
I have tables for power settings and comsumptions in several phases of flight and aircraft weights nad altitudes, but is too extense to be included in this e-mail and to take more of your precious time.
 
FUEL TANKS: The P-38Ls (and some last model P-38Js) were issued with 6 fuel tanks, 2 x 93 GALS. MAIN WING TANKS on the rear part of the inner wing, 2 x 60 GALS. RESERVE TANKS on the front part of the inner wing, besides the pilot, and....missing in AH..... 2 x 55 GALS. OUTER WING TANKS on the outer wing leading edges, besides 1 or 2 165 or 300 GALS. DROP TANKS. The Flight Manual recomended the following order for compsumption for those tanks:
    1) Reserve tanks for the first 15 minutes of flight (something to do with a not messurable amount of fuel on those tanks)
    2) External drop tanks
    3) Outer wing tanks
    4) Main fuel tanks
    5) Reserve tanks
 
FLAPS: The P-38 late variants were equiped with a Fowler type of flaps, as you very well modelled (I love the animation of their deployment), but it only had 3 positions: UP, MANEOUVRE and FULL. The maneuvre position coincided with a 50% flaps down and was used for combat up to 250 MPH, acording to the manual. I would encourage you to fix this problem in the FM, as my pals, as many other pilots, were using only 1 notch of flaps (of the 4 actually avalaible) as MANEUVRE and though the P-38 on AH was "castrated" and not well modeled acording to their readings....
 
DIVE FLAPS: I hope those devices will be included soon... we already missed them in WB for several years....  
 
STALL: The P38 had no tendency to drop any wing on a stall, due to the neat effect of the propellers (toque and air wash efect on surfaces) and the good distribution of mass. This was put to a good use in combat to perform very tight turns, driving the plane in the in-and-out the stall regime, while other fighters had a tendency to spin if tempted to follow or... failed to evade the pursuer P38s. Actually the AH P38 FM drops one wing viciously while stalling... There are reports of P-38s turning inside japanese Zeros at 1.000' AGL and 100 MPH. I believe this to be actually inacurate in AH, but I dont know if it could be corrected  
 
STALL WARNING: On the other hand, I have noticed that all planes start the STALL WARNING sound at least 15 MPH before the real stall. This is not only really annoying (due to the constant buzz sound on the speakers - my wife will kill me one of these days), but also inaccurate. I want to remember from my Aerodinamics classes from college, that those fighters were cetified to activate stall warning at about 7% above stall speed. Making use of that important cue, a good pilot could take a good advantage of the maximum lift of the wing, being it just before the real stall. I then ask you the personal favor to please correct this error, it will not only make a much quieter simulation, but also an accurate one.
 
I don't even know if you will read the e-mail, but I hope that if you do, these statistics help you somehow. If you need more info on this or other subjects, please let me know. I still have a ton of small thing I would like to share with you, but I understand that you might be really busy, so I will not abuse more of your time. Thank you for your work and dedication for this gift to all aficionados, such is AH.
 
Plase take good care.
 
     Miguel A. González Domingo
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Offline Citabria

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2000, 12:53:00 PM »
they know about the engine rpm MP differences   old quirk.

they fixed the stall to be more gentle than it was initially (at first it was absolutely viscious) but it still has wierdness once you get into a stall it dosnt like to let you out of it even though you might not be to the point of dropping a wing.

just FYI I agree with everything you said on the P-38 but just know it's improved a lot since they first released it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2000, 01:07:00 PM »
CC on the rpm, the gauge is out of cal and will be fixed in the next version.

On the fuel tanks, the leading edge tanks are not modeled separately, i just include their capacity in with the main tanks.

I don't know if you've seen it, but we also have a write-up on the P-38 here that covers much of this in the help section under planes and aircraft.

Dive flaps will be coming too.



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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2000, 02:15:00 PM »
Gadget

If you don't like the stall sound, turn it down in the Setup menu.

 

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2000, 02:58:00 PM »
Try our stall wave sound . Be sure to backup the orginal one . Use it at your own risk though , spro      
 
Just copy and paste url . The damn link doesn't work for some reason .     , Think it's geocities not letting downloads but worked with c & p .
 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/1589/temp/STALL.WAV

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2000, 11:33:00 AM »
LOL spro, thats a nice sound  

And for people who don't like stall horns, you can get a stall sound of wings shaking at my site:
 http://home14.inet.tele.dk/snefens/

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2000, 05:01:00 PM »
Hehe u know airsid , thats him . LMAO , he should be saying bulloks though . He does that one hell of a lot more .  

Thanks for the buffet sounds . Will give them a go . Did you get (sorry can't remember who) sound for P38l . They are really nice . Wicked gun sound too . If u want them can send or maybe someone will post were and who it was . About 400 kb .

   sid's such a tosser