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« on: September 18, 2000, 12:53:00 PM »
I have a document called "Fw 190A-8 Aircraft Handbook" that GATT gave me (thanks Bud!) which is a translation of a Focke Wulf document.  At the end of it are Range & Endurance Calculations for the aircraft in several load conditions.

I decided to look at one of these cases.  Fw 190A-8 with 4 x MG 151/20, 2 x MG 131, full ammo load, no external ordnance.  I have data for several altitudes but I wanted to keep the test flying time down to an hour or less, so I picked the lowest altitude.

Here is the information from the manual:

Table 1:  Raw Data from Manual
Altitude, Engine Speed, Supercharger Pressure, Fuel Consumption, Average Speed
0.3 m, 2300 rpm, 1.20 ata, 360 kg/h, 515 km/h
0.3 m, 2100 rpm, 1.10 ata, 225 kg/h, 465 km/h
0.3 m, 2000 rpm, 1.05 ata, 205 kg/h, 440 km/h

There are notes that the fuel consumption is inflated by 12.5% (to allow for a reserve), and the speed is an average of the outbound and inbound legs (presumably to cancel out wind on the test flight).

Correcting for the 12.5% reserve factor, Table 1 becomes:

Table 2:  Data From Manual, Adjusted for Reserve Factor
0.3 m, 2300 rpm, 1.20 ata, 320 kg/h, 515 km/h
0.3 m, 2100 rpm, 1.10 ata, 200 kg/h, 465 km/h
0.3 m, 2000 rpm, 1.05 ata, 182 kg/h, 440 km/h

Now how to match this in AH?  First we need to convert to appropriate units.  Here is the same table expressed in AH units.  See the note at the end of this message for consumption rate conversion details.

Table 3:  Data from Manual, Converted to AH Units
984 ft, 2300 rpm, 35.9" Hg, 169 percent/h, 320 mph
984 ft, 2100 rpm, 32.9" Hg, 106 percent/h, 289 mph
984 ft, 2000 rpm, 31.4" Hg, 96 percent/h, 273 mph


Now for flight testing.  The flight tests were performed offline as follows.  Fuel burn rate multiplier was set to 2.5.  Fw 190A-8 was selected with 4 x MG 151/20, 2 x MG 131.  Fuel load was 25% internal plus a drop tank.  Takeoff and climb were accomplished on the drop tank alone.  Once altitude was established, RPM and M.P. were adjusted to the desired settings.  Speed was allowed to stabilize, then the drop tank was jettisoned and the stopwatch started.  Time to burn through the 25% of internal fuel was recorded, and final true airspeed was recorded.  Here are the results of the test.

Table 4:  Raw AH Flight Test Data
2300 rpm, 36" Hg, Time = 7m15s, Speed = 290 mph.
2100 rpm, 33" Hg, Time = 8m30s, Speed = 265 mph.
2000 rpm, 31" Hg, Time = 9m10s, Speed = 250 mph.

Converting the time to percent/h we get:

Table 5:  AH Flight Test Data
980 ft, 2300 rpm, 36" Hg, 207 percent/h, 290 mph
980 ft, 2100 rpm, 33" Hg, 176 percent/h, 265 mph
980 ft, 2000 rpm, 31" Hg, 163 percent/h, 250 mph


To compare "real life" with AH, compare tables 3 and 5.  It appears that the AH plane has two major problems.  It is too slow at reduced power settings, and the fuel flow rates are too high at reduced power settings.  

Where this really hurts is when you look at fuel economy.  Divide the the speeds (miles/h) by the fuel flow rates (percent/h) to get the fuel economy in miles/percent.

Table 6:  Fuel Economy
2300 rpm, 35.9" Hg, Real Life 1.89 miles/percent, AH 1.40 miles/percent
2100 rpm 32.9" Hg, Real Life 2.73 miles/percent, AH 1.50 miles/percent
2000 rpm 31.4" Hg, Real Life 2.84 miles/percent, AH 1.53 miles/percent


Look at the different trends.  A real Fw 190A-8 pilot could get a significant increase in fuel economy by throttling back and reducing RPM.  An AH pilot gets a much smaller increase in fuel economy while suffering much larger speed losses.

*Note on Consumption Rate Conversion.  The real Fw 190A-8 carried 640 liters of fuel internally.  The density of gasoline is about .74 kg/liter which gives a fuel mass of 474 kg.  Furthermore my flight test was performed with a fuel burn rate multiplier of 2.5.  So to convert a real fuel consumption rate (expressed in kg/h) to percent/h we must divide by 474 kg/tank, multiply by 100 percent/tank, and multiply by the burn rate multiplier of 2.5.  The overall result is to multiply by 0.528.


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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2000, 01:28:00 PM »
Some notes:

1.  The numbers I used are just that, numbers.  They could be wrong.  Without a copy of the original Fw test report you never know.

2.  I don't expect a consumer flight sim to be able to hit all the full throttle performance numbers AND hit all the fuel consumption points perfectly.  That is quite a task.  I'm not concerned that the last two columns of table 6 don't match each other perfectly.

3.  What concerns me is that the trend as you go down the two columns is so different.  In the AH A-8 there is almost no fuel economy benefit from reducing speed.  In that speed range, the power to overcome drag should be roughly proportional to the cube of airspeed, and engine efficiency (hp/kg/hr) should not change much with these small throttle and rpm changes.  So you should be seeing significant increases in fuel economy.  Common sense, physics, and the flight test data all support this.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2000, 02:20:00 PM »

Thx for your testing funked.  I was just commenting in the arena the other day about the 190's fuel burn.

Though I haven't done the testing I was asking everyone if they thought the 190's burned fuel at a higher rate than it's much shorter ranged cousin the 109.  From purely observation if I fly a 190 I burn a DT in about half the time it takes me to burn a DT in a 109.

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2000, 03:01:00 PM »
I don't know if it's just the 190 that has a problem.  But the 190 is the one plane that I have a lot of info for, so I chose to test it.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2000, 03:09:00 PM »
In the F4U, if I choose 20/32 (2000 rpm, 32 inches M.P.) I can extend my duration in the air by almost 2 fold.  One evening, with no DT, and  100% fuel, I covered 125 miles, with a 3-kill sortie in the same sortie, (using wep during dogfights)...but by fuel management, I was able to go along way.

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2000, 11:32:00 PM »
I would think the 190 would be a real bugger to model, as it had that automatic-thingy that adjusted the mixture ratio as well as rpm and MP.  Does rpm even affect fuel consumption in AH yet?  I haven't tried it in 1.04.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2000, 11:59:00 PM »
Even with a simple engine model (Fuel consumption is proportional to power), fuel consumption per mile would be proportional to the square of speed in this regime.

I think it's clear that the 1-g drag model is fine, so the problem must be in the engine/prop modeling.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2000, 12:42:00 AM »
As I've been saying ever since day 1 of my trial, and continue to say in H2H games..."You need a Texico Station on your wing just to make it to 10k!".

So, thanks to Funked, we now know fuel burn rates are more than a little screwey.

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2000, 01:14:00 AM »
Flakbait keep in mind there is a fuel burn rate multiplier in effect in the arenas.  That means the planes have fuel consumption increased by a constant factor, for "gameplay" purposes.  What I'm saying is that, even accounting for the multiplier, the consumption rates are too high, and the fuel economy benefit from reducing power is not as large as with a real Fw 190A-8.

Another note:  In my test used a fuel burn rate multiplier of 2.5.  I'm not sure if that is the Main Arena level or not.  As a check, I ran one of the tests at a fuel multiplier of 1.0 and got... 2.5 times the fuel economy of the test done with a multiplier of 2.5.  So the results are valid regardless of whether my multiplier setting was the same as the Main Arena.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2000, 04:04:00 AM »
I Know it's a bit off topic  .

But isn't the A8 to slow at all rpm settings?
Just a question?

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2000, 04:05:00 AM »
GReat work funked !!!  thx to u maybe the Bucher will be a real bucher once in AH :-))

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2000, 04:15:00 AM »
Maik:  NO
At maximum power setting (full throttle and RPM) and boost override setting (WEP), the speeds in AH are identical to the speeds in the document I have.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2000, 05:01:00 AM »
thanks!  

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2000, 08:38:00 AM »
Funked, I have detailed fuel consumptin data (Pilots Manuals) for the P-38, P-47, P-63, F4U, and some others if your interested in it to check and see if its the same for the other aircraft.

I would do it myself, but I'm kinda busy on some projects  

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2000, 07:25:00 PM »
Vermillion if you have the info handy, go ahead and send it.  funkedup@raf303.org