Ain't nothin like a Jeep

[AKHog]

Masherbrum,

You took 'rally school' over 15 years ago in a non rally car. I take it they basically they 'taught' you how to drive a truck fast offroad?

I've never even heard of a jeep being used as a 'rally car', but whatever...

4 days of driving a truck around 15 years ago does not give you the 'experience' to say "IFS is not worth the trouble".

You want to get into a pissing match about experience, saying I have none? I raced rally cars for 5 years in the south west (yes real rally cars, BMW 2002's and a Subaru Impreza). Before that I preran the rally courses in my custom built prerunner. I've rock crawled all the trails you've read about in the magazines and more technical ones you've never heard of. And I've done 95% or more of all the fabrication on the vehicles myself.

I DO have the experience to say, if done right, IFS and even fully independent suspension DOES have it's place in the offroad world.

You can argue all you want, you just look more and more like you have no clue.

But I keep forgetting, you are the guy who said you would pick a mid 70's ford over anything else 20 years old to take offroad. 

I guess some people are just beyond help...

[AKHog]

Incidently, this comparison of Jeep Wranglers and FJ Cruisers is rediculous. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Rip, most of what is being compared in this thread is apples and oranges, and it's all ridiculous.

[RichardDarkwood]

Jeep
Land Rover
Chevy
Ford
Dodge
Penzgreuwhatever
Toyota
Isuzu
Etc....

Only one of the names listed above is legendary.




Todd

[Masherbrum]

Jeep
Land Rover
Chevy
Ford
Dodge
Penzgreuwhatever
Toyota
Isuzu
Etc....

Only one of the names listed above is legendary.

Todd

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[Ripsnort]

Jeep
Land Rover
Chevy
Ford
Dodge
Penzgreuwhatever
Toyota
Isuzu
Etc....

Only one of the names listed above is legendary.
Todd

Perhaps in the USA, but globally speaking the Land Cruiser is legendary in places like the Middle Eastern, South East Asian and South American markets with the capabilities of the Land Cruiser - all regions offering large and uncultured landscapes for the 4x4 monster to make itself indispensible.

 in July 1951, the first Toyota Land Cruiser negotiated the trail up Japan's 12388-foot Mt. Fuji all the way to Checkpoint 6 (there are 10 checkpoints on the trail to the summit), venturing further up the mountain than any motor vehicle had ever been, inlcuding the Jeep. The Land Cruiser, known as the BJ after 1954, was Toyota's first 4x4 utility vehicle. Like the Jeep, it was originally intended for use only by military, government, forestry and utility agencies. The US Government contracted Toyota to supply Land Cruisers to the Korean War effort.

[kamori]

in July 1951, the first Toyota Land Cruiser negotiated the trail up Japan's 12388-foot Mt. Fuji all the way to Checkpoint 6 (there are 10 checkpoints on the trail to the summit), venturing further up the mountain than any motor vehicle had ever been, inlcuding the Jeep.

 


Negotiating is part vehicle and part driver. Was it the same driver for both rigs? If not, its not a true test...

I couldn't tell you how many times Ive seen guys that dont know when to stay in 4 High or go to 4 low range

Kam

[kamori]

Id give my Left Gonad for 1 of theses...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy4rIUJ5sPg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqx6ONBA8MQ

OH BTW  all you High Lift guys..Notice the LOW Cg on theses rigs...and wheel base

KAM

[RichardDarkwood]

Perhaps in the USA, but globally speaking the Land Cruiser is legendary in places like the Middle Eastern, South East Asian and South American markets with the capabilities of the Land Cruiser - all regions offering large and uncultured landscapes for the 4x4 monster to make itself indispensible.

You do realize that they have been building Jeeps in other countries for years now. The last country to buy the rights to the Jeep and start production was India. Climbing some mountain in your land cruiser does not make you legendary, Helping win a war does. The durability of the Jeep in itself is legendary as they have a reputation for being very dependable. If the land cruiser was so dependable the US post office would have bought those instead of the Jeep.

In the end you can try to compare any other vehicle to a Jeep but it won't stack up in durability, dependability, and affordability!



Todd

[WWhiskey]

Jeep
Land Rover
Chevy
Ford
Dodge
Penzgreuwhatever
Toyota
Isuzu
Etc....
Only one of the names listed above is legendary.
Todd

Really?
lets see,
 Ford= Henry Ford first to build cars and trucks in an assembly line, most refer to him as the father of the modern automobile, nothing legendary about that?

Jeep= John North Willys buys the Overland Automotive Division of Standard Wheel Company.    Working from a Bantam Car Company design, Willys contracts to build military Jeeps.Kaiser buys Willys-Overland and changes name to Willys Motor Company.1963 Company changes name to Kaiser-Jeep corporation. 1970 American Motors Corporation takes over Kaiser-Jeep.  1987 American Motors is purchased by the Chrysler Corporation.

Dodge=The Dodge brothers, John and Horace originated the company in Detroit, Michigan. These brothers were early stockholders and engine builders for Ford Motor Co. before producing their first car in November 1914. the Dodge 4, a tough automobile accepted by the American army. It was used in General Pershing's battles into Mexico in 1914, while also used in World War I as ambulances or staff cars.  Also looks as if they kept Jeep from going under. nothing legendary there?

Chevy=Louis Chevrolet ,With little in the way of a formal education, Chevrolet learned car design while working for Buick and started designing his own engine for a new car in 1909.Known to many as the father of Racing as we know it today.William Durant founded the Chevrolet Motor company in 1911 after being forced out of General Motors in 1910. He had also founded that company. Mr Durant founded the Chevrolet Motor Company  in partnership with famous race car driver Louis Chevrolet. 1915 marked the start of the Chevy - Ford competitive age that lasts to this day! in  1917 Chevrolet introduces the V-8 This steady stream of innovative automotive designs continued through the following decades making GM and Chevrolet major players in the automotive industry. nothing legendary there?

Land Rover=September 1947   The 'Land Rover'  project was made official. Board Meeting minutes describe it as "the all-purpose vehicle on the lines of the Willys-Overland post-war Jeep was the most desirable" using the P3 engine, gearbox, and back axle. In reality the first prototypes were already running, with design work starting in spring 1947. British version of the Jeep! nothing legendary there i will agree, but thanks to them , Jeep is what it is today, thru competition in innovation.

[Ripsnort]

You do realize that they have been building Jeeps in other countries for years now. The last country to buy the rights to the Jeep and start production was India. Climbing some mountain in your land cruiser does not make you legendary, Helping win a war does. The durability of the Jeep in itself is legendary as they have a reputation for being very dependable. If the land cruiser was so dependable the US post office would have bought those instead of the Jeep.

In the end you can try to compare any other vehicle to a Jeep but it won't stack up in durability, dependability, and affordability!



Todd

I won't debate your opinion one bit!

[Ripsnort]

Negotiating is part vehicle and part driver. Was it the same driver for both rigs? If not, its not a true test...

I couldn't tell you how many times Ive seen guys that dont know when to stay in 4 High or go to 4 low range

Kam

I agree 100%. With that said, the Jeep couldn't compete with the BJ back then.  The Toyota Jeep BJ was larger than the original U.S. Jeep and more powerful thanks to its Type B 3.4-liter six-cylinder OHV Gasoline engine which generated 85 hp (63 kW) at 3600 rpm and 215 N·m (159 lb·ft) torque at 1600 rpm. It had a part-time four-wheel drive system like the Jeep. Unlike the Jeep, however, the Jeep BJ had no low-range transfer case yet made it to that Check Point 6 without the low range. The American-made Willis Jeep made it to Check Point 5.

[RTHolmes]

Toyota Hilux - 100s of african warlords cant be wrong

always wondered why pretty much all you see in africa are Hilux, Landcruisers, Nissan Patrols and really old Land Rovers, would have expected more Jeeps.

no ones mentioned the most capable/fun offroader that ive driven, the legendary Unimog


edit: the mog deserves some pics so:

this is very like the one I drove, recovered numerous bogged down tractors with it including amassive articulated Ford County


they pull like a train. literally

[Masherbrum]

I still like Land Rovers.   Even the old Series I, II and III's are capable and still in use today.   I still enjoy the D90's from 1997 with the V8.   

[CAP1]

I still like Land Rovers.   Even the old Series I, II and III's are capable and still in use today.   I still enjoy the D90's from 1997 with the V8.   

there's a couple land rovers running around here with those silly air intakes....the ones that come out of the fender, go up along the "A" pillar, and then have a forward facing scoop.

 funniest thing i've ever seen!! 'specially knowing who's drivin em, and knowing they'll never be in more than a couple inches of water. 

[RichardDarkwood]

Thought you all might enjoy this Jeep photo:


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/RdThomas/Jeep%20Anti-theft/Anti-theft25.jpg






Todd