The 1.05 planes

[StSanta]

Well, I need info on them.

Now that HTC have chosen to add yet another late war US monster, I'd like to know just what it can do.

Turn performance, performance at altitude, guns, speed, roll rate, climb rate, acceleration, e retention capability.

Advantages and disadvantages. Comparisons with existing AH planes.

The ropedo plane is sorta non interesting, since it's oone big fat target for us LW types  , but I need info on that one.

Much appreciated.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again"

[leonid]

StSanta,
The F6F is actually a mid-war plane, going into production in 1943.  It's not that fast in level flight, maxing around 386mph, I think.  It dives like a bat-outta-hell, turns very well for an American fighter, has good e-qualities, average roller, very stable flight characteristics, very tough, and the worst six view of them all.  Armamment was six .50 mgs, and it could carry all sorts of ordinance.

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leonid, Kompol
5 GIAP VVS-KA, Knights

"Our cause is just.  The enemy will be crushed.  Victory will be ours."

[StSanta]

Well, a N1K on steroids?

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again"

[funked]

Santa that's pretty close except the F6F doesn't climb nearly as well as the N1K2.  F6F performance is very similar to F4U performance.  The differences are that it's 10-20 mph slower depending on altitude, it doesn't roll nearly as well at high speeds, and it turns a little better at slow speeds.  Also it was reported by pilots to have much more benign handling and was much better for carrier operations.

[leonid]

Funked,
I read that Grumman actually felt the F6F was too stable an aircraft, and wanted to modify the Hellcat so that it would roll more quickly.  Grumman went to Chance-Vought to analyse the F4U, basically to see just why the Corsair could roll so well.  In the end Grumman gave up, because they realized that the F4U could do what it did not because of any one device, but because of the Corsair's design.  Grumman wasn't willing to significantly alter its design of the F6F.

[Vermillion]

Santa, I always think of the F6F Hellcat as being very similar to the P-38.

Both are good "all arounders", meaning that they are good in all categories (climb, speed, dive, handling, etc.) but are not the best in any.

The major differences between the two, is that the F6F doesn't have the P-38's high altitude capability (no turbosupercharer), but the F6F is more robust (takes more damage) and does not seem to have as much problems with compression that the P38 has.

For detailed performance data, here is a US Navy website with great info.
 http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f6f-5.pdf

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Suave1]

That plane is butt ugly .

[Karnak]

N1K2 will out turn one handily.  F6F pilots reported that the George looked like it was doing impossible turns were they first encountered it (the N1K2 had VERY good leading edge slats).

Sisu
-Karnak

[funked]

Where does the idea come from that the F6F is some kind of climber?  Other sims?

Best ROC (F6F-5, water injection) was barely over 3000 fpm.  It's a huge plane.  Larger dimensions than a P-47D-30 (although about 1500 lb lighter) but with significantly less power.

Not in the same class as the P-38 at all.

[Duckwing6]

That's what i heared too Funked .. the F4U should outclimb and outrun the F6F .. but the F6 would turn way inside it (supposedly)

[Ripsnort]

 

Funked: Larger dimensions than a P-47D-30 (although about 1500 lb lighter) but with significantly less power.

Okay, what am I missing in the 'significantly less power' column??


P47D-Engine:R2800-Weight:4812k
F4U-1D-Engine:R2800-Weight:4074k
F6F-Engine:R2800-Weight:4152k

I would expect it to climb close to what the P47D and F4U climb at...

[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 09-20-2000).]

[Spritle]

Karnak,

Where did you get your information on the N1K2?  It didn't have leading edge slats.

Spritle

[Nath-BDP]

##s

Specification
F6F-5 Hellcat
Powerplant
One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10W Double Wasp radial piston engine rated at 2,000 hp (1491 kW) for take-off, 1,675 hp (1249 kW) up to 5,500 ft (167
m) and 1,550 hp (1156 kW) at 22,000 ft (6710m)

Fuel capacity
Internal fuel 250 US gal (208.2 Imp gal; 946.3 liters); external fuel up to an unrevealed quantity of auxiliary fuel in one jettisonable long-range tank or 15
US gal (124.9 Imp gal; 567.8 liters) in one 150 US gal (124.9 Imp gal; 567.8 liter) drop tank

Dimensions
Wing
Span 42 ft 10 in (13.08 m) and width folded 16 ft 2 in (4.93 m); aspect ratio 5.49; area 334.00 sq ft (31.03 m2)
Fuselage and tail
Length 33 ft 4 in (10.16 m); height 14 ft 5 in (4.40 m); wheel track 11 ft 0 in (3.36 m); wheel base 21 ft 5.25 in (6.54 m)

Operational weights
Empty 9,2381b (4190 kg) equipped; normal take-off 12,740 Ib (5779 kg); maximum take-off 15,4131b (6991 kg)

Performance

Maximum level speed 'clean' 330 kt (380 mph; 611 km/h) at 23,400 ft (7130 m) declining to 291 kt (335 mph; 539 km/h) at sea level; cruising speed,
economical 146 kt (168 mph; 270 krn/h) at optimum altitude
Maximum range l,177 nm (1,335 miles; 2148 km) with drop tank; typical range 821 nm (945 miles; 1521 km) with internal fuel
Maximum rate of climb at sea level 2,980 ft (908 m) per minute; service ceiling 37 ,300 ft (11370 m)


Note the "10W" model of the R-2800 DW.

The F4U1D had a 8W, which delivered 2,250 hp at maximum compared to F6F5's 2,000 hp.

I don't know what powerplant the P47D-30 or -25 had but i assume its the R-2800-59, 2,000 hp for it both at take off and 30,000 ft, P47 should perform the same as F6F below 15k I assume.

Hopefully HTC will modeled the F6F's ability to fold it wings up for carrier stowage.  


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[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-20-2000).]

[whels1]

The niki had the most advanced automatic
combat flaps the time it was introduced.
they have a niki on display at NAS Pensicola
museum.
 http://214th.com/ww2/japan/n1k1/index.htm  http://www.nasm.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/kawanish_n1k2.htm


Whels

 

Originally posted by Spritle:
Karnak,

Where did you get your information on the N1K2?  It didn't have leading edge slats.

Spritle

[Karnak]

Yeah, what whels1 said.

I was typing from memory and got combat flaps and leading edge slats mixed up  .  [homermode]DOH!!![/homermode]

Sisu
-Karnak