Max alt

[DREDIOCK]

Im surprised nobody has brought this up.

JG2 was under the impression that the max alt ceiling was to be 25K Yet, I know I myself as well as a few others got up to 27K and ran into bandits at or near 30K.

Im not whining. I had my share of fun and kills (3 and would have been a 4th and possibly a 5th if not for a PW blackout at just the wrong time when I was about to fire) . Just thought I'd mention it.

On a more IMO note
After participating in a few of the FSO events. I am of the opinion that the max alts are being set too high.
While IRL many of the planes may have had a ceiling of 30K. With the exception of the B29 I doubt many went, or fights started that high.
Even if they did. I beleive those types of altitudes are detrimental to gameplay and think the max ceilings for most if not all FSO events should be more in the 15-20 K range

[Brentlo]

We got reports that you guy's were at or near 27k, so we pushed it up to 30k from 25k without detriments before merging
If I were flying a N1Ky I would want the max ceiling lowered also because they suck at those altitudes.


I propose that sea level be lowered to -2 feet then I would have had a chance to pull out of that dive and score a bunch of kills too.  

[ImADot]

I believe there was no alt cap in frame 2. I looked at the arena message, and there was no mention of a downdraft; just (IIRC) a 40mph wind at 26k+.

[DREDIOCK]

We got reports that you guy's were at or near 27k, so we pushed it up to 30k from 25k without detriments before merging

I propose that sea level be lowered to -2 feet then I would have had a chance to pull out of that dive and score a bunch of kills too.  

Not speaking for anyone but myself. being at 27K wasnt anything intentional on my part as I was on autoclimb and herd the call that our flight leader was leveling out at 24K. I looked down and I was at 27. I figured if I hit the ceiling I'd just be slapped down by the downdraft

I actually came back down to around 23K then started to re aqquire more alt after a flight had been spotted at 30K.
I never was able to get that high before the fight was joined and after a couple of turns had to back off and hope for the fight to come down rather then try to engage cons with an alt advantage and a much better E status then I had (NIKKIS fly terrible that high)

Rather then try to press an already bad position. which would have almost certainly ended in my untimely demise and nothing to show for it.
I egressed to the north
After reciving word that there was another flight at around 10K just NW of my position I went after those instead.

Still I beleive even 25K is too high a ceiling for gameplay. Where 15-20K seems much more reasonable. Particularly given the range you get a vis on contacts

Just my opinion

[Brentlo]

Not speaking for anyone but myself.

Same here Dred.....I like the idea of lower altitudes.  I knew that our bombers were below us, but you can't see nothing down low when you are that high.

[WxMan]

The alt cap was change as announced in this post http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283315.0.html on February 7th.

[shegotya]

The alt cap was change as announced in this post http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283315.0.html on February 7th.

Sorry JG2/DRED.

I did see this and yet I assumed at the 26+ downdraft no one would be higher as if THAT was a "cap" with out actually saying "cap". Ok I know what assume stands for. I am off to find someone else to blame ... 

 
SGY <---- FSO noob in training 

[DREDIOCK]

Sorry JG2/DRED.

I did see this and yet I assumed at the 26+ downdraft no one would be higher as if THAT was a "cap" with out actually saying "cap". Ok I know what assume stands for. I am off to find someone else to blame ...  

 
SGY <---- FSO noob in training  

Ok fine. but I experienced no down draft. or any other kind of draft. The entire climb from 24- 27K.

You may remember us discussing that we encountered no resistance in getting above our perceived cap.
According to the numbers put up in the link above. we should have experienced a crosswind increase of 20MPH over what those of you that were of a lower altitude were experiencing.  While I did notice a "bump" when we climbed through 18-20K This never occurred over the 26K limit

- Wind: 0-10K NW TO SE - Speed 5
        10K-18K W TO E - Speed 10
        18k-26K W TO E - Speed 20
        26k+ SW TO NE - Speed 40
Im not trying to start an argument over this. I am only putting forth what I experienced. Or in this case. Didnt.

Still. in the interest of good game play. I think any ceiling cap above 20K is entirely too high.

[TinmanX]

Sorry, I think ceiling caps are pointless and annoying.

I would venture an uneducated and utter guess that most FSO's (especially Japan Vs US scenarios) are won by the plane et that performs best in a dive because with everyone sitting at 25.5k and unable to go up, using climbing performance of planes is removed from the equation.

[Valkyrie]

If you read the fourms you would see that the set up CM got rid of the downdraft. Anyway there will always be a miss match as the Japanese couldn't fight at atlititude and didn't carry oxygen. THerefore you all should not have been opposing us at 30k or making runs on our escorts at 33k. My P-47 was designed to fight up there and I really don't care to come down and fight your alls fight. Read the fourm. The wind was set to bring the buffs down, not the fighters. Seeing A6ms at 30+K isn't real and if HT would model oxygen we could have a proper fight up there.

Vlkyrie1

[gyrene81]

Strange the A6M2 Type 0 Model 21 was rated at 33,000 feet service ceiling...Ki-61-I-KAIc was rated at 38,100 feet service ceiling...Ki-84-Ia - 34,450 feet...N1K2-J - 35,500 feet...but of course we all know, in toonville those altitudes are pushing it for the rice burners...the Ki-61 is just flopping in the breeze over 25k.

[Saxman]

...if HT would model oxygen...

Vlkyrie1
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Hm, THAT would be interesting. Although as a point of order, most fighters at the time were unpressurized, so any flight over 10,000ft you would need oxygen. Even Japanese aircraft carried it.

[Bino]

"... the Japanese couldn't fight at altititude and didn't carry oxygen..."

Forgive my bluntness, but you are simply wrong on this point.  

Please refer to the very detailed descriptions of IJN aerial tactics over the Solomon Islands in Richard B. Frank's excellent "Guadalcanal" (ISBN 0-394-58875-4)  According to his book, based on interviews with veterans and primary documentary sources, the Mitsubishi G4M bombers routinely "flew at 25,000 to 27,000 feet" while "Zeros arranged themselves in various combinations above, below, and to both flanks."  Without oxygen equipment, that would not have been possible.

And to see an oxygen flow regulator from an "early production A6M", go here: http://www.warbirdsite.com/museumjapanese.html

While no-one who knows history would dispute that the P-47 was undoubtedly a superior high-altitude fighter, in fact, the Zero did carry O2 and did fight way up there.

[DREDIOCK]

My suggestion for the lower flight ceilings wasnt so much for historically accurate flight ceilings as it was to promote a more historically fun FSO.