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Offline cattb

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2010, 12:20:52 AM »
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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2010, 01:16:06 AM »
that one, and this baby..........

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and if anyone were to shoot at this one, they would be found much much later, feeding the turkey vultures.  :noid

yar, same thing with my P40

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2010, 02:07:29 PM »
6mmNo it won't. A standard BB is IIRC .177 caliber or about 4.5mm. Especially considering at its hardest bite a hopup protrudes maybe a millimeter into the chamber I don't think the BB would even be able to sit without rolling the barrel at any kind angle.
I'd also like to know what kind of sled you're putting holes in....
Pretty interesting numbers you're throwing out there... mind posting some kind of logic behind them?


Numbers came from airsplat.

I fired a 6mm all-plastic pellet at 3 meters into a plastic sled, went through it like butter.  The springer was a clone of a G-36K assault rifle, just smaller and made of plastic.  Again, I do my pellet stuff with Polish weapons.  6mm must not work with Polish guns that aren't springers.

I don't know, it's my uncle's gun.  We'll have to see wether BB's will work with it.

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2010, 02:32:34 PM »
Numbers came from airsplat.

No, it's 7mm, believe me, I tried 6mm, and it's too small, the feed system broke.  I don't know, but I've been using 6mm in springers, and 7mm for this gun.  It only shoots 7mm, from my experiments.  Perhaps because I bought it in Poland, the feed is different.  I don't know the make and model anymore, it's too old.  The magazine catch isn't that great anymore, but it'll still shoot.

I fired a 6mm all-plastic pellet at 3 meters into a plastic sled, went through it like butter.  The springer was a clone of a G-36K assault rifle, just smaller and made of plastic.  Again, I do my pellet stuff with Polish weapons.  6mm must not work with Polish guns that aren't springers.

I'll see if I can't get some BB's for it, it'll have to be Polish though.  They don't really care about the pellet gun laws there.  Heck, you have to be 18+(read the box), and I see 8-9 year olds coming out of that shack, armed to the teeth.  I go to Poland on vacation, though.  I was 11 when I got the beasty!

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Link?

Not only is 180m/s a ridiculously high figure but 180 RPM is ridiculously low.

Where you bought it doesn't really matter, either, as airsoft gun manufacturers exist only in Japan, Hong Kong, the ROC, the PRC, and South Korea. DBOY is a Chinese company.

Also there are two sizes of airsoft BB, 6mm and 8mm, 8mm being antiquated and, comparatively, extremely expensive.
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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2010, 02:38:20 PM »
Shoot, I didn't kill the post fast enough.

I was just guessing around with those.  I'm alternating between off and on with my good arguments.  Hold on...

Good one coming in...

Alright.  So, here we go.  The rifle is 7mm, 6mm broke it.  From what I've done with pellet guns (small numbers of experiments), I've found that the DBoys will bouce back off of dirt and richochet higher than it was fired from.  A cheap springer went through a plastic thread.  The gun was marked as a BB gun in the box.  So all I know is that I'll need some BB's to test it out on the kind of plastic you use.

It shipped with plastic pellets, but that conflicts with the designation.  Can I get some help on this?

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »
Where was it made? Are there any manufacturer's marks?

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2010, 02:47:44 PM »
All there is is a sticker on the side of the gun.

It reads, and I quote (all errors are intentionally there):

Boyi arisfoft
Warning
For he sake of safety, always cover the muzzle
don't peek into the muzzle in case of injury and cause ablepsia
Please read the instruction carefully
Please don't aim at other people or animals


No stampings that indicate where or when the gun was made.  No markings, no flare orange muzzle tip.  Without that sticker, it would fool anyone if they didn't look closely (top of magazine, pull cocking handle to reveal hop-up, look at handguard to see wires). 

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2010, 02:50:11 PM »
Boyi, DBOY and Kalash are all different incarnations of the same company based in the Peoples' Republic of China.

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2010, 04:24:05 PM »
it would have plenty of energy to penetrate. a bb probably wouldn't hit anything inside that could cripple the plane though.

 these things are hard to hit. when we did it to the t34, it took 3 different guys trying to get it.....and then the paintball penetrated the covering, and hit the elevator linkage, breaking it.


Over summer, at my house, and yes we have video, another guy from
AH and I up-armored his Trex-550 helicopter against paintball rounds. It took them rather well. The except partbis that one round hit sn area, that despite being armored up, with some fancy paintball jfk moves, tool out the roll linkage on the 90* swash plate and down she went hard. Paintballs, over BB's whether lead or airsoft, carry so much kinetic energy at 300 feet per second - it absolutely shreads anything if it penetrates a vulnerable surface. I'll find the video tonight. Might still be up in the Oclub.


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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2010, 06:29:31 PM »
Penguin, despite your figures earlier in the thread, I don't think it's so far fetched that you could shoot down an RC airplane with an airsoft gun, provided a couple of conditions are met...

a) the airplane would probably have to be flying not much further than 50ft from the shooter
b) the airplane would probably have to be made of foam or maybe with a balsa frame or a similarly strong (or I should say weak) material
c) you'd have to have a couple hundred rounds to throw out :)

I have no doubts that an airsoft gun would rip an RC plane up under these conditions.

There's a few issues with trying to apply an airsoft gun for this purpose, all of which trace themselves back to the projectile;
BB's are spheres, which are decidedly unaerodynamic shapes.
An airsoft BB is large and made of plastic, so that it transfers little energy on impact, and over a wide surface area (as to not penetrate the target).
Since airsoft BB's are large, not very dense, unaerodynamic objects, they don't fly all that well, are easily affected by the wind, and don't have that much range, especially if the range you're measuring is that at which it can actually do damage to its target (which we are in this case).

Of course now you're throwing in a moving target, which drew me to the criteria above.

Now, if you'd like some real numbers, listen up :) Brought the camera and gear out today (mainly because I wanted to see if my chronograph still worked and re-sight in my gun... and take some purdy pitchers), with the intention of recording some numbers for you and demonstrating what is realistically possible...

First off, testing materials...
 

Madbull Chronograph, AE .25g BB's (the 25% increase in weight over a standard .2g is worth it :) ), full can of Diet Pepsi (real men drink HFCS!) camera (not pictured, mainly because it's taking the picture :) ), LCT AKS-74, and a couple of magazines of BB's.

The chronograph is designed with this purpose specifically in mind so it has some fun, useful functions. First we have FPS and M/S (respectively). Colors are manipulated because my camera doesn't seem to like LCD's.



Then rate of fire in RPS and RPM respectively.



A nice thing that this chronograph does, as it's purpose designed for airsoft, is allow you to select BB weight, and the chronograph will take that weight and the speed measurement and convert it into joules, giving you a measurement of the energy of the BB at the muzzle. You can see what I mean by low energy of an airsoft BB, IIRC a paintball carries something like 16-17 joules of energy at the muzzle.


These are pretty standard figures for a mid to high end airsoft gun, with exception to the ROF because I have a crappy motor in it.


Now for some tests that look a bit more meaningful than some numbers... watermelons are to R. Lee Ermey as aluminum cans are to me. If you've never watched Mail Call then you don't deserve to understand what I mean :neener:

There's not much more fun than blowing up a full can of soda, and since the results seem to be more explosive (nyuk nyuk) with more power going to the can I shot it from only 6 feet away... however my AK is capable at penetration at much further distances.

'Look at him squirm'


Seconds later...


I should have video taped it... it's actually pretty entertaining :) All of the soda is gone instantaneously... nothing but residue is left in the can. It's really cool.



Next I set up 45 feet away & fired about 15-20 shots. I really should have done this with an empty, but pristine can as the results are more useful; with the can split like it was, there's a lot more give in the aluminum and the BBs ricochet a lot more. You can see, however, where a couple of BB's found their way through the split, and hit an area of the can that was more or less intact; they had no problem making their way through.



As much as I'd like to try this with a plane I don't own an RC aircraft. It would be pretty fun, though  :devil
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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2010, 08:19:40 AM »
Ok, now here are the JPS and JPM, respectively:

(Note, I rounded things up to the nearest integer and went to the high end of the spectrum just to see what the max is)

JPS=J*RPS

J=16
RPS=13

JPS=16*13

JPS=208

JPM=J*RPM

J=16
RPM=760

JPM=16*760
JPM=12,160

Correct me if I am wrong on these.

My mom is going to get rid of our plates and buy one, uniform set, so I might just get the chance to see if I can test my BB gun.  (No BB's though, can't find them).

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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2010, 10:43:07 AM »
You have a chronograph... and used it to prove a point on the BBS...











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Re: I don't know what i did wrong???
« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2010, 03:18:23 PM »
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