Continued WW2 development?

[Ruah]

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C/D?

[TwinBoom]

writing in big red letters increaces your chances of being heard on the internet.

C/D?

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[MORAY37]

Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.

Big Fallacy??? LOL.  Being that I spent my time as an undergrad in a restaurant, I assure you there are 30 people out of every 500 that come through your doors that are going to complain, no matter what.  In my time as a key manager then, I threw out 1 person in 2 and a half years....and he was thrown out because he called my bartender a racial slang.  I was yelled at so many times for stupid things my server staff or my kitchen did, that it became a sport to see just how happy I could make them till they left.  That's the way good management works....you never lose your cool and you never fly off the handle.  Yeah, you go in the back and tell someone else about how much of an idiot that customer is.... but you don't ever do it where your actions could possibly lose you business....not just from the complainer, but from those around him, watching your actions.

The other thing you never do, is let them know they got to you....EVER.  You keep an even keel, explain, and move on to more important things.  

The reason you have some people whining on the BBS is that you have given no clear direction for your product.  Therefore, people deem this BBS to be an outlet to you, for you to read, however wrong or mislead that is.  Those that have been around, know this isn't true.  A quick call or direct email to you will clear things up.  As it is, many people don't know this, and post here.

I didn't start this, but I understand the frustration by some.  Undoubtedly, I will now be flamed and called every name possible.  The cult that this game has around it is surreal, and even minute criticism must be squashed.

 I say again, I hope this new endeavor does well, at least better than historical attempts with this WW1 planeset have gone. 

[SB]

Hey Moray,

Go back and read every thread from the beginning, in all the forums. Explaining things to all the people will take a lot of time and a very few of them will intentionally misunderstand what you're trying to tell them. I think you'll find HTC does a great job of customer service. Since we're on the restaurant metaphor I'll refer you to the movie "Waiting".

BTW, fewer threads berating people would give the staff more time to do actual production.

SB

P.S. I know you won't go back and read those threads but if you did it should take you a few months.  

[kilo2]

Big fallacy.  There are those who honestly believe they have some right to belittle those who work for a living and they are supposed to smile and take it.

Let's take the restaurant scenario.  Go into any decent restaurant and start yelling at the staff, complaining they do not know what they are doing.  Watch how fast you are asked to leave.  You probably will not go back to that restaurant ever again.  Guess what?  The management would be very happy if you never darkened their place of business again.

There is always a right way to do things and a wrong way to do them.  Unfortunately, there will always be those who will support the wrong way to do things.  They will take every opportunity they can to take every cheap shot they can and think they are clever when they do so.  They honestly believe they have a right to do it.  Fortunately, those people are far and few between, but they also make the most noise at every chance afforded to them.  Quite frankly, the board would be better off without them.  They offer nothing constructive.  Indeed, they are a distraction from having a constructive discussion.

If you cannot be bothered to treat us with a modicum of respect and decency, while you are in our house, then do not expect us to just roll over and smile about it.  When people treat me, or my family, with disrespect in my home, I tend to show them the door, very quickly.

To take your restaurant idea and use it for a moment, imagine a customer coming in to the restaurant and picking a meal, say salmon. Once they order their piece of salmon they are told they have to pay upfront. They think OK I have been here before and this is no different than usual and they

pay up front. The salmon comes out and looks great,just like they remember, they take a bite and realize that it is too salty. No big deal they will just tell the owner it is too salty. They call him over and say "this salmon is too salty", the owner says one moment and walks away he comes back with a cup of water and splashes it their face, the chef comes and splashes water in their face the host comes and splashes water in their face and then they are thrown out.

Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Don't PnG me......

[Oldman731]

Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Kind of depends on how much you like the salty salmon I guess.

- oldman

[Bronk]

To take your restaurant idea and use it for a moment, imagine a customer coming in to the restaurant and picking a meal, say salmon. Once they order their piece of salmon they are told they have to pay upfront. They think OK I have been here before and this is no different than usual and they

pay up front. The salmon comes out and looks great,just like they remember, they take a bite and realize that it is too salty. No big deal they will just tell the owner it is too salty. They call him over and say "this salmon is too salty", the owner says one moment and walks away he comes back with a cup of water and splashes it their face, the chef comes and splashes water in their face the host comes and splashes water in their face and then they are thrown out.

Now does that sound like a restaurant any one would want to go to?

Don't PnG me......

Again.. if you don't like how it's prepared or the service no one is forcing you to to stay and eat it.  Ohhh you were given 2 weeks free to see if you like it. Unlike your restaurant scenario where you paid upfront.

[cactuskooler]

A SIMPLE ADD PLEASE!!!! P-38H FOR US SAPP TARDS IF FOR NOTHING ELSE JUST TO HEAR THE LUFTWOBBLES WHINE

Haha! Maybe the straight and to the point method will be more effective. 

[Skuzzy]

We must be reading different threads kilo2.

1) We post up a few new screenshots to let the community know how things are progressing.
2) A player comes in here and tells us they look like crap and challenges our decision to be working on WW1 to begin with.  Forget the fact that we asked the community before we started the endeavor.

Now I will relate it to a restaurant metaphor.

A month before you went to the restaurant you asked the patrons if they would like to see "smoked salmon" on the menu.  They voted yes.

Next month you place it on the menu.  A patron comes in and wonders why you put smoked salmon on the menu and yells to everyone in the restaurant the picture sucks of the plate and it is detracting away from your specialty of steak.  The partron continues to yell.  The owner finally asks the patron to leave.

Now back to reality.

You prepay for the game/service here each month.  Now, tell me, what changed from last months service to this months service which would cause someone to lash out proclaiming our work is crap and we are hurting our business.  When I log into the game, at this moment, it is exactly what it was last month.  Hmmm.  The only change is we happen to post some images of some of what we are working on.

But gee, golly darn, I cannot fathom how that has changed the game that everyone is playing at the moment to the point we are to be treated in a derogatory and disrespectful manner.

Now, if someone is going to threaten to quit because we are not updating the game every month, then there really is not much we can do about that.  Some things take time.  It is as simple as that.

As far as someone tossing water in someones face goes.  This goes back to being respectful and a right way and wrong way to do things.  You can be someone who tries to tell us how to run our business (kilo2, maybe you like being told how to run your business, it is certainly a choice), or you can be the guy that tries to understand the business.  You get what you give.  That does indeed work both directions.

However, I will state it clearly again.  If you come into our forums/game and treat us, at HTC, with disrespect and/or in a derogatory manner, do not expect to get a cookie and a smile out of it.  This particular point is not up for discussion.

[DaCoon]

  You get what you give.  That does indeed work both directions.

Hey Skuzzy, can I use this in my sig?

[kilo2]

I didn't mean to disrespect anyone. And I don't think that you should have to be told how to run your business. I am saying sometimes it seems as if a player has a problem with the game and states said problem they get told off, a lot of the time not very friendly like.

And the salmon is fine to me. Some people just may not agree, and as they pay money, they should be able to at very least state that they do not like the salmon.

[Skuzzy]

If anyone has a problem with the game, we are easily reached and we always do everything within reason to help.

Coming to our board and telling us our work looks like crap is not someone looking for help.  Coming to our board and telling us how to run our business is not looking for help.  Coming to our board and berating other players is not looking for help.

Anyone calling to discuss a problem is always treated with respect.  Someone may not like the answer, but that is a different matter.


If someone does not like an aspect of the game, they are free to voice thier opinion about it as long as it is done in a respectful manner.  Here is an example.

1)  Your flight modeling of the unicorn is moronic!  You have no idea what you are doing!

or

2)  Why is it the unicorn modeling of head motion not match that of its real-life counterpart?  According to this article, there seems to be some contridiction.


Which one do you think is going to get a postitive reaction?

[hitech]

I didn't mean to disrespect anyone. And I don't think that you should have to be told how to run your business. I am saying sometimes it seems as if a player has a problem with the game and states said problem they get told off, a lot of the time not very friendly like.

And the salmon is fine to me. Some people just may not agree, and as they pay money, they should be able to at very least state that they do not like the salmon.

Kilo2: 2 Simple questions.

1. Have you been treated with respect by people from HTC in this thread, even though you do not agree with us and are criticizing our methods?
2. What do you think the difference is how you are treated dhyran was treated and why?

HiTech

[jimson]

There are many things I'd like to see added before WW1. More Japanese planes, AI GV's etc and an online AI mission creator for use by the AvA staff, those are my personal wants though.

The fact is HTC thinks it's a good business decision to do the WW1 arena.

That is their perogative, and a lot of people want it.

[uptown]

Some folks have alot of nerve. Look, if you don't like the game move on! I guess I'm getting old because I'm still amazed at the talent the HTC crew, as well as others involved, in making a game like this. Entertainment has come a long way since PONG.

I for one wish I had 1/4 of the brains it takes to program a game this size. I don't even know how to begin making a map or skin, so i'm not about to complain that I can't see every leaf on the trees or can't smell gunpowder when i fire my .50 cals. I take what i get and appreciate the fact that someone out there is busting their arses so i can enjoy myself.

All this started with a couple of geeks with a dream, pencil and paper. How can one NOT respect that?