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Offline C_R_Caldwell

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« on: February 11, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »
The HTC guys do great work, but why on earth does the rear fuselage tank in the A-8 hold fuel and not MW-50? Although it could be used for both, I was under the understanding that the vast majority of A-8's used MW-50 in the rear tank.As the A-8 was overweight & weight penalty was equal for fuel or MW-50,  and most A-8's used drop-tanks it made sense for most units to emply MW-50 in the rear cylindrical tank.

The extra power afforded by MW-50 boost was usually much more important than the relatively small extra endurance afforded by the tank housing avgas since DT's on A-8's were very common.Looking at the A-8's AH performance charts, the max TAS values look consistent with that of an A-8 without MW-50 boost.If I'm wrong & MW-50 is being used, where is it being housed? I was under the impression that only 1 tank existed in the A-8's rear fuselage, and if that is being used for fuel, where is the MW-50 stored?

Guys, if the A-8 isn't using MW-50, it'd be nice if players had the Hangar option of choosing either fuel or MW-50 in the reat tank.I know which one I'd choose - the A-8 needs all the performance help it can get IMHO...
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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2001, 07:27:00 PM »
I agree, we should be able to choose MW 50, and also have option to remove the cowl MG 131.

Also, wheres the MW 50 for the G6? It has the buldge in the rear cockpit for it (yes I realize that the G10 cockpit was canibalised for the G6) and the camo scheme is that of Hartmann's Bf 109G-14/AM, which had MW 50 capability.

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Offline StSanta

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2001, 03:35:00 AM »
How common was it for A8's to use MW50?

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2001, 03:39:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
How common was it for A8's to use MW50?


Probably more common than seeing Chogs ten times more than Dhogs..
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Offline gatt

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2001, 04:11:00 AM »
No one really knows how many MW50 systems have been mounted on 190A-8's. The only thing I know is that in the 190A-8 flight manual there is clearly written: "all 190A-8 after xx/xx/1944 (dont remember, I'm at work) mount the MW50 system"  
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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2001, 04:29:00 AM »
A-8 has only one tank in rear fuselage, in AH it is called EXT. In real life it could hold either fuel or MW 50 liquid but not GM 1 stuff which is gas under high pressure.

I dont think too many A-8's had MW 50 except late production planes. Just look at the A-8 pictures. If the plane has MW 50 it should have white/yellow triangle on left side just behind cocpit which tells plane is equipped with MW 50 and fill this tank with MW 50 liquid instead of fuel.

I have seen only one MW 50 triangle on A-8/R8. On the other hand I haven't seen that triangle on any D-9 which had MW 50 for sure.

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2001, 05:45:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Jochen:
A-8 has only one tank in rear fuselage, in AH it is called EXT. In real life it could hold either fuel or MW 50 liquid but not GM 1 stuff which is gas under high pressure.

erm... in AH the EXT in the fuel guage means EXTernal tank, ie: droptank.  FWD is forward and AFT is the aft tank.

Kites with main tanks have Main, left/right main tanks are LM/RM, wing tanks are LW/RW, and auxillary tanks are AUX.  And there's a couple with NU, whatever that means
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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2001, 06:26:00 AM »
I guess Jochen meant the "AFT"-Tank  .

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2001, 07:45:00 AM »
Gatt, not in the manual you sent me.

I've still never seen any documentation of MW 50 on A-series 190s.
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Offline Westy

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2001, 07:59:00 AM »
"Probably more common than seeing Chogs ten times more than Dhogs.."

 Good answer  <eye roll>

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Offline gatt

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2001, 08:35:00 AM »
Ouch Funked! I'm pretty sure it is there. I'll check later when back home. No, its not yesterday night's beer fault  
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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2001, 09:21:00 AM »
For diddlys sake!

A-5 has FWD and AFT tanks. So does A-8 but it also has smaller tank behind AFT tank which I think is called EXT, not sure since I can't access AH right now.

A-5 has two/zwei/2 internal tanks. A-8 has thee/drei/3 internal tanks.

And yes, I know the the difference between drop tank and internal tank.

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »
The A8 does indeed have three internal tanks, but none are called EXT.  That is the external drop tank.  The first two of course are the forward (FWD) and after (AFT) tanks, the third internal tank is the auxiliary tank (AUX).
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Nath-BDP

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2001, 10:21:00 AM »
 
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So does A-8 but it also has smaller tank behind AFT tank which I think is called EXT, not sure since I can't access AH right now.

lol
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Offline MANDOBLE

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Where's the 190A-8's MW-50?
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2001, 11:16:00 AM »
chunder is right. In 190A8 we have the two normal tanks present also in 190A5: AFT and FWD. And we also have the smaller AUX tank, present also in any real 190A8. This is just the MW50 tank used here as a normal tank.
The defaul order of use is AUX->FWD->AFT. If MW50 is going to be implemented, AUX tank should be used only while WEP is enganged, and filled with a % independent of normal fuel tanks.
If we had MW50, the 190A8 should have about 2100 hp at takeoff, instead 1900 hp (normal takeoff power is 1730hp without WEP). Some documents rate 2005 hp also at 15000 feet with MW50 usage, but not sure about the rpm.

AFAIK MW50 is compatible and independent of GM1 system, both could be fitted in a single plane, enganging MW50 for medium and lo alts and GM1 for hi altitude. A lot of sources have information about the MW50 installations  on 190A8, but I've found only one talking about the use of GM1 in a 190 (experimental plane). Several sources talk about the installation of both systems in 109s, Doras and, expecially, Ta152. And it seems that GM1 devices where installed in 109 squads as early as 1941.
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