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Offline Avanti

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5 inch guns
« on: February 20, 2010, 07:32:28 AM »
Just a question, but were aircraft shot down reguarly by the 5 inch guns on CV's in the war?

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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 09:01:29 AM »
Nine of them were last night by me.   :D
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 09:20:49 AM »
They were a ships primary anti aircraft weapon.

I don't think they were just for show.

Especially after they perfected the proximity fuse for it.

Must be something to them. U.S. Navy still uses the 5" gun mount today.
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 01:33:19 PM »
It was something like 1 kill for every 1000rds fired. AAA can't keep a ship safe on its own, planes will make it through.
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 02:39:03 PM »
It was something like 1 kill for every 1000rds fired. AAA can't keep a ship safe on its own, planes will make it through.
I'm sure you have a link to backup this claim .
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 03:02:05 PM »
I don't have a link, but its in my thread about changing the sights for the 5", and Ack-Ack agrees.


You are correct about the 1 kill per 1,000 rounds fired using the Mark 37 Gun Fire Control System.


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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 12:50:44 PM »
I don't have a link, but its in my thread about changing the sights for the 5", and Ack-Ack agrees.



Because we all know Ack-Ack knows everything, saw everything, and has done everything...  :rolleyes:

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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 01:16:21 PM »
Because we all know Ack-Ack knows everything, saw everything, and has done everything...  :rolleyes:
He knows a well flown tbm can kick a poorly flown 109's rear  all over the sky. :D
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 01:22:45 PM »
He knows a well flown tbm can kick a poorly flown 109's rear  all over the sky. :D

Well it's not him...

Nor is that statement at ALL relevant to the thread.

And for the record, that wasn't an insult to Ack-Ack, that was a dig at nemesis for citing ack-acks agreement as though it immediately proved something was true.

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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 04:24:06 PM »
It wasn't. PM'd him asking for a link, and haven't gotten a response.
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 04:36:59 PM »
Here's an interesting article, I would imagine that figuring out which gun delivered the killing blow would be very difficult when you have so many shooting but it should be a good read.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/antiaircraft_action_summary_wwii.htm

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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 11:39:33 PM »
Just a question, but were aircraft shot down reguarly by the 5 inch guns on CV's in the war?

Here is a Link showing AAA kills by Year/Ship Type/Rounds Expended-to-Kill Ratio, etc.

www.history.navy.mil/.../antiaircraft_action_summary_wwii.htm

Just an example as to how ridiculously accurate AH AA is-
This is a total from 1942 in the Pacific only for 5" Com
Rounds Fired-15,110
Kills-60
R.P.B.(Rounds Per Bird)-252


Total from later in the War (with Proxy Fuses)-
1945-

Rounds-108,516
Kills-173
R.P.B.-627

So next time someone says there is nothing wrong with ack, laugh at them and tell them to to check out this link!
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 11:26:39 AM »
Here is a Link showing AAA kills by Year/Ship Type/Rounds Expended-to-Kill Ratio, etc.

www.history.navy.mil/.../antiaircraft_action_summary_wwii.htm

Just an example as to how ridiculously accurate AH AA is-
This is a total from 1942 in the Pacific only for 5" Com
Rounds Fired-15,110
Kills-60
R.P.B.(Rounds Per Bird)-252


Total from later in the War (with Proxy Fuses)-
1945-

Rounds-108,516
Kills-173
R.P.B.-627

So next time someone says there is nothing wrong with ack, laugh at them and tell them to to check out this link!


Nor were the pilots in WWII, that did attack ships, anywhere near as stupid as the majority of those in AH that attack the ships. If I am in a 5 inch gun, I can pretty much clear the skys if they are 1k-2k AGL and flying for all intents and purposes straight at the boat. Also, you very rarely see a coordinated multi-plane JABO attack in AH. Get 8-10 F6Fs or P-38s or P-47 to all dive on a CV at the same time ... it will be toast and the majority of the attackers will survive.

T'was not the case in WWII ... they used steep dive angles and used multiple planes on attack. Had they dribbled in on the convoy in 1s or 2s at low altitude and shallow dive angles ... those numbers would be a lot different.

Trying to compare those types of WWII stats vs AH stats is an exercise in futility.
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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 01:21:29 PM »
Because we all know Ack-Ack knows everything, saw everything, and has done everything...  :rolleyes:



Read about the Mark 37 Gun Fire Control System and the Mark 12 5"/38 caliber gun that is was used for and then come and tell me I'm wrong. 

You shouldn't really make any comments considering you're the little twit that tried to tell a Hell of a whopper about 2 pineapples, a pocket knife and a missing back pack. 


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Re: 5 inch guns
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 01:25:16 PM »
It wasn't. PM'd him asking for a link, and haven't gotten a response.

You haven't sent me a PM asking for any sort of link.


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