The current state of Aces High...

[vonKrimm]

As a corollary, and not wanting to hi-jack, to A8Tools topic: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,283972.0.html ; which I intend as a subjective critique, not a criticism, after an experience in EW last night.

I had another AH player and his squaddies, ones that I have never encountered before, start-in on 200 about me HOing him and one of his squaddies, with additional comment about my lack of skill.  This came after he and his squaddies had shot me down 2 or 3 times.  He was a good stick and his squads wingman tactics were excellent.

The point of this "rant" is that many posters in the other thread said (along the lines of) "yeah, it used to be less HOing, more about the fight, less about the war"  and so-forth.  My questions to those posters are:  How many times have you asked another player if he would like to learn good ACM?  I mean actually saying "hey player 'x' let me switch sides (or you switch) and I'll show you some tactics."  In general, what I see and get on 200 is "u have no skillz", "go2 the TA", and "LMAO, I pwnd you seventy-leven times!!!!"  NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, has any player offered to teach me to fight the fight the way they would like the fights to be like they were in their memories of the old days of AH.

So next time you kill someone fortygajillion times or get HOed, and start to grief on 200 or by PM; think about teaching them what you know and what you deem to be good AH-sportsmanship.  I'm sure you will see the "quality" of the enemy pee-lots go up over time.


<checking the safety sticker on my flame-retardent undies now> 

[PFactorDave]

+1

Me neither...  Never had anyone offer to help me improve after a tangle.  Wish somebody would...

[2ADoc]

Agreed.  
One question is being pwned worse than being owned?

[Reschke]

Agreed. 
One question is being pwned worse than being owned?

No idea but that phrase is BANNED in my house and on the youth sports teams that I coach just because it shows how ignorant of language one can be.

As for training....If anyone wants to schedule a time I would be glad to oblige in the TA or DA. Just shoot me a PM and I will be glad to teach what I know about flying any of the US Navy rides in the game.

[BaldEagl]

How many times have you asked another player if he would like to learn good ACM?  I mean actually saying "hey player 'x' let me switch sides (or you switch) and I'll show you some tactics."  

I've done that a few times and I'd be pretty sure others have too but we just stayed on our sides and met between fields or went to the DA.  Not that I'm any good.

[Steve]

No idea but that phrase is BANNED in my house and on the youth sports teams that I coach just because it shows how ignorant of language one can be.

LMAO. This is about as rediculous as I've seen typed here recently. Oh no!!!  The children used slang!! As if they are the first generation to use slang..... 

[Grind]

You're right VonKrimm, but better yet is for one to put their own ego aside (not implying anything here) and ask for help.  I've asked several players for help and couldn't be more pleased with the results.  Just ask or switch teams and ask to ride with them.  Record the fights, ask if they do and would be willing to send you copies of the recordings.  Read some books on the subject.  Have fun and don't take the flak to seriously....after all it is just a game.

[Lusche]

How many times have you asked another player if he would like to learn good ACM?  I mean actually saying "hey player 'x' let me switch sides (or you switch) and I'll show you some tactics." 

The few times I did offer such a thing without being specifically asked for I was greeted with very unfavorable responses, if at all. So I do wait until I'm asked... then I try to helpas much as I can (I have my limits though, in that cases I try to point the player into the right direction for getting more qualified help))

On the other hand, when I was new, I very rarely encountered players actually trying to help me or give me some clues after I was shot down. Most of the time it's just been "lol, go TA n00b!" (I had quite a few very unpleasant incidents during my first weeks in AH, which I can image of making other new players simply go away from AH  )


On pwn owning or whatever: I never ever understood that stuff. It's just not my way of thinking. I'm not pwning anyone and I never get owned either. I just win or lose a cartoon fight (or vulch )

[WWM]

If someone is an obvious new player I've seen people offer help.  If they are average I think help isn't OFFERED much but whenever I've asked a humble good stick (don't like arrogance) I've never been turned down.  Slapshot, Dedalos, Grizz, snaphook, AKAK,  besides regular trainers have all been good to me when I asked for tips after being shot down repeatedly and I appreciate it.

    The inflated ego idiots you mention probably will not change and if they offer to help (shoot you down some more) it will probably be to feed their own sense of self worth they get from being good at a video game.

[WMLute]

I think a better question would be...

"why are these players who have little to no skill not ASKING for or seeking out help?"

I remember when I was new to AH (had flown AW for years) I sought out "good" sticks and either asked them for help or would fight them and film it and spent many hours studying said films.

I spent untold hours in the the DA or in KOTH trying to figure out how they are killing me so quickly.

I wouldn't say I am one of the "great" sticks in the game, but I DO think I can hold my own vs. anybody and I GOT that way working my tookus off.

Look at Grizz.  Go back a few years and Grizz was "decent" but not a world beater.  (no offense Grizz)  Ask Grizz just how many 1,000's of duels he has done this past few years to hone his skills.  Grizz is now one of the best pilots in the game.  (top 3 easily)  He GOT that way by logging the hours/days/weeks/months practicing and putting forth the effort to improve.

What appalls me is how many new players just don't make the effort.  There is an INCREDIBLE amount of information out there for a player to use to help them improve.  AH has a FANTASTIC group of Trainers.   There are literally 1,000's of films you can d/l.   Many, many, many websites out there that are choked full of information to help you learn.

I can't remember the last time I was sent a p.m. from a player I just killed asking me what they did wrong or how they could have won that fight.

It just doesn't seem to be "there" anymore.

Personally, I blame mega squads and the land grab mentality.

You don't have to be a very good pilot if there are 30 of ya' vs. 8 nme.

Anymore, it doesn't seem to matter that those 30 pilots just died 3-5 times each fighting those 8 nme because from sheer numbers alone they TOOK the base and that (sadly) is what is important to them.

Go back 4-6 years.  Were there NOE missions?  Sure.  Was that pretty much ALL squads ran like what we have now?  Look at some of the mega-squads who pretty much ONLY run NOE hoard missions for base captures.  Dweeby tactics are the "norm" now.  Gone are the days where they would look at a large nme dar bar and run a mission right at it.

Am I one of the only players that feels that Style Points matter?  It isn't just capturing the base that matters to me but HOW you captured it.

Was there a player 8 years ago saying what I just did?  Yup.  Has the game changed dramatically?  No, not really.  Is what I just typed as true then as it is now?  You bet.  There are just more players flying now so the extremes are more pronounced.

[Lusche]

Go back 4-6 years.  Were there NOE missions?  Sure.  Was that pretty much ALL squads ran like what we have now?  Look at some of the mega-squads who pretty much ONLY run NOE hoard missions for base captures.  Dweeby tactics are the "norm" now.  Gone are the days where they would look at a large nme dar bar and run a mission right at it.

5 years ago it was basically the same as it is now. Over those five years there were times with more NOE's, times with less. Sometimes more hording, sometimes less. But not fundamentally different than today. In some ways, gameplay was even worse because of the rules for winning the war.

I remember leaving the rook side four years ago because of the "new" thing they formed back then: the LCA, which was flattening bases and steamrolling the map with giant horde missions. So it's not a new thing now, and it wasn't even back then,: I learned from older players and from browsing the BBS than such things had happened before. It's going thru cycles again and again.


Currently, I (subjectively) happen to encoutner even a bit less nme NOE's than maybe a year ago.

[Wreked]

LMAO. This is about as rediculous as I've seen typed here recently. Oh no!!!  The children used slang!! As if they are the first generation to use slang..... 

  yep - adults are usually the last to know the "current" teen wordage and certainly are frequently surprised to find out their kids are usually 1-2 years ahead of them regarding street language (and the birds and the bees too).  

The more things change the more they don't!!

Regarding the lack of help - I suspect there are a fair # of seasoned sticks who are more than happy to give some help when asked. What I think you're up against here tho is juvenile players who think it is grown up to insult people on 200 and proclaim how good they are. <shrug>

My advice vonKrimm is ignore them and check out some of the Trainers - time well spent.

...cheers eh!

[WMLute]

Lusche... I pretty much find two types of missions anymore.

Either it is a large hoard NOE or it is a large hoard buff mission w/ escorts.

Are those the ONLY mission I come up against?  No.  Are they the TYPICAL mission I see? 

Yup.

I might be thinking back more like 6-8 years not 4-5.  (man i'm getting old)

Back when squads would seek each other out and have massive battles that lasted hours.

All I know is when my squad asks me "where next" I look for the largest nme dar bar and we fight there.

[waystin2]

I've asked several players for help and couldn't be more pleased with the results.

I believe that this is true.  I also like to believe that this has gained me some new friends in game.

[thorsim]

All I know is when my squad asks me "where next" I look for the largest nme dar bar and we fight there.