Nissan's upcoming electric car

[Tac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf


Nissan Leaf.

Less pricy than the stupid Volt .. but still too pricy to make it dominant in the market.

[Strip]

To bad...

Electric cars are currently pollute more than a similar gas powered vehicle if the electricity comes from carbon producing power plants. Even so, the electric batteries take enormous amounts of energy (usually carbon based) to produce. A few solar cells would a good option but that would take extra charging time.

Strip

[batch]

at least theyre starting to make these oversized hoverounds a little better looking

hmm strip....

I never looked into the electric car scene that much so wasnt aware of that if its in fact the case.....

kind of ironic that the "green" cars would actually be causing more pollution than gas guzzlers

youve peaked my curiousity now....... any good reference points to start from?

edit: nvm ....... google is my friend     found a few links from both sides of the story

[Masherbrum]

Nissan's reliability is bad enough and "cheaper" won't be any better.

[Nilsen]

To bad...

Electric cars are currently pollute more than a similar gas powered vehicle if the electricity comes from carbon producing power plants.

Strip

source please

[Chalenge]

source please

There is nothing you can do. If you were ever born you poop in diapers if you ever eat you kill animals if you breath you exhale carbon and if you buy anything trees had to die to make your purchase possible. There is no source of electricity that comes from solar sources or hydroelectric or wind or nuclear that are really 'clean' because you can always point out pollution in the chain somewhere. Its a real scandal... really.... send Al Gore your weeping dollars... go green!

[Nilsen]

There is nothing you can do. If you were ever born you poop in diapers if you ever eat you kill animals if you breath you exhale carbon and if you buy anything trees had to die to make your purchase possible. There is no source of electricity that comes from solar sources or hydroelectric or wind or nuclear that are really 'clean' because you can always point out pollution in the chain somewhere. Its a real scandal... really.... send Al Gore your weeping dollars... go green!

I wanted a source that sais that an electric car pollutes more than a similar gas powered vehicle.

[Boozeman]

I wanted a source that sais that an electric car pollutes more than a similar gas powered vehicle.

Yeah, I'd like to see some math on that too.

Even so, the electric batteries take enormous amounts of energy (usually carbon based) to produce.

Let me see, last time I checked a conventional vehicle also needs huge amounts of energy to be produced. I somehow doubt that it takes more energy to produce the batteries than the drivetrain in a normal car. An EV does not need a transmission, it's electric motor is much smaller and lighter than a convetional engine. If it is, I'd like to see some math on that too.

[Boozeman]

There is no source of electricity that comes from solar sources or hydroelectric or wind or nuclear that are really 'clean' because you can always point out pollution in the chain somewhere.

Examples please.

[ridley1]

when you plug the car in....the electricity doesn't magically appear. So when you're refilling the battery, somewhere down the line, a generator has to be fired up.

The thing that concerns me about electric cars is this: Up here in Canada, where we still have winter, they put salt on the roads. So...drive an electric car where it's subject to an electrolytic bath for 6 months of the year....can you say corrosion?

[FTJR]

when you plug the car in....the electricity doesn't magically appear. So when you're refilling the battery, somewhere down the line, a generator has to be fired up.

The thing that concerns me about electric cars is this: Up here in Canada, where we still have winter, they put salt on the roads. So...drive an electric car where it's subject to an electrolytic bath for 6 months of the year....can you say corrosion?

Forgive me, but how would and electric car be any different to a "normal" car in terms of corrosion?

[cobia38]

Nissan's reliability is bad enough and "cheaper" won't be any better.

  at least their throttles dont stick,and their brakes work 

[Boozeman]

when you plug the car in....the electricity doesn't magically appear. So when you're refilling the battery, somewhere down the line, a generator has to be fired up.

True, but the gas doesn't magically apprear at the pump either. It has to be drilled, transported across the globe, refined, and then transported to the fuel station.
 

[Masherbrum]

  at least their throttles dont stick,and their brakes work 

True.   

[Ghosth]

Canada also has a LOT of hydro, would seem to be a good plan for up there.

As for the US, well I'd like to see the figures.

Sure you may get some oil being burned to move coal to a generating plant.
But according to one ad I saw on TV it was 436 miles per ton of cargo per gallon of fuel.

Now you really figure that is polluting more than a 14 mph car?

Obviously wind, solar, hydro are the way to go. And the country is gearing up for it.
North Dakota has a chance to lead the country in wind, but we have to build the transmission lines first.
Can have all the power in the world, but without the infrastructure its useless. That takes time to build.

Also solar is taking big steps forward, but again, it takes time to get it R&D'd, get it into a product, and off to market.