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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2010, 04:43:31 PM »
the trainer broke the rules, <do not get in the water with this one>, the killer whale was just enforcing darwin's theory.

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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 04:45:43 PM »
Shuffler, your daughter's very lucky to have that experience.  Thanks for the pictures.  :salute

Living in Florida, I'm 7 miles from Blue Springs State Park but 2 miles as the crow flies.  I often go there in winter time to see the manatees.  I was swimming one time in the springs when the whistle blew from a lifeguard.  He told all of us to make way for a manatee.  State law forbids any interaction with the animals from a human initiative.  If the animals swims toward you then just stay still and try not to get in its way.  I was around 15 feet from the manatee when it swam by.  A wild animal no matter how gentile it seems can turn agressive at any second.  A manatee is many more times heavier than a human.

The sad part is looking at the history of all the tears and chunks of meat removed from the props of motring boats on each manatee.  They may be an ugly sight.  However, they are quite peaceful 99.9% of the time.  I've seen video of a manatee being very agressive at another manatee.  They are like rams butting heads.  I wouldn't want to be caught between them in a fight.
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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2010, 12:48:36 PM »
Doesn't hurt.... want to see some pics of a few guns  :D

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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2010, 06:00:04 PM »
err they are carnivores, apex predators and extremely efficient killers. they feed on anything from larger fish species through seals, walrus and other whales. they are extremely smart and aggressive predators, hence "killer."

Flat Wrong.  

Orcinus orca was first commonly named " the Whale Killer" by fishermen.  It was flipped to "Killer Whale" at some point.  There has never been a successful predation by one on man.  There have been a few Eskimos who reported being "stalked" on ice floes, but not attacked.  They are apex predators, but even those concentrated on marine mammal predation have never looked at man as a prey item. 

The problem with them is they view everything as a toy, including trainers.  This particular whale "Tilicum" is also fond of being very rough with humans, and was used as a breed bull, not a performer.

Most likely, this accident will be trainer error in the end.  It seems she was at the wrong place when the animals were being "shifted" prior to the upcoming show, and may have thought that "Tilicum" was already out of the main pool.  In researching, it seems that she wasn't one of the trainers who worked at all with this whale.

If I can, I will find some pictures of a transient pod that I was amazed to run into off of Ft. Lauderdale a few years back on a blue water research dive.  They were following a deep school of tuna in the gulf stream.  We were at 95 feet in 1800 feet of water with 200+ feet of viz, watching a huge school of Tuna pass underneath at around 250 feet, turned and looked up to see 4 huge shadows coming down to us.  Dumfounded isn't the word for our looks.  A big male positioned between us and the rest of the pod of orcas, and slowed to almost a stop about 30 feet away, just observing us.   We weren't that interesting, in the end, and they continued following the tuna.



Picture may have been from the same pod, taken in Barbados soon after we had run into them.


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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2010, 09:47:19 PM »
Flat Wrong.  

Orcinus orca was first commonly named " the Whale Killer" by fishermen.  It was flipped to "Killer Whale" at some point.  There has never been a successful predation by one on man.  There have been a few Eskimos who reported being "stalked" on ice floes, but not attacked.  They are apex predators, but even those concentrated on marine mammal predation have never looked at man as a prey item. 

The problem with them is they view everything as a toy, including trainers.  This particular whale "Tilicum" is also fond of being very rough with humans, and was used as a breed bull, not a performer.

Most likely, this accident will be trainer error in the end.  It seems she was at the wrong place when the animals were being "shifted" prior to the upcoming show, and may have thought that "Tilicum" was already out of the main pool.  In researching, it seems that she wasn't one of the trainers who worked at all with this whale.

If I can, I will find some pictures of a transient pod that I was amazed to run into off of Ft. Lauderdale a few years back on a blue water research dive.  They were following a deep school of tuna in the gulf stream.  We were at 95 feet in 1800 feet of water with 200+ feet of viz, watching a huge school of Tuna pass underneath at around 250 feet, turned and looked up to see 4 huge shadows coming down to us.  Dumfounded isn't the word for our looks.  A big male positioned between us and the rest of the pod of orcas, and slowed to almost a stop about 30 feet away, just observing us.   We weren't that interesting, in the end, and they continued following the tuna.

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Picture may have been from the same pod, taken in Barbados soon after we had run into them.



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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2010, 09:48:23 PM »
Flat Wrong.  

Orcinus orca was first commonly named " the Whale Killer" by fishermen.  It was flipped to "Killer Whale" at some point.  There has never been a successful predation by one on man.  There have been a few Eskimos who reported being "stalked" on ice floes, but not attacked.  They are apex predators, but even those concentrated on marine mammal predation have never looked at man as a prey item. 

The problem with them is they view everything as a toy, including trainers.  This particular whale "Tilicum" is also fond of being very rough with humans, and was used as a breed bull, not a performer.

Most likely, this accident will be trainer error in the end.  It seems she was at the wrong place when the animals were being "shifted" prior to the upcoming show, and may have thought that "Tilicum" was already out of the main pool.  In researching, it seems that she wasn't one of the trainers who worked at all with this whale.

If I can, I will find some pictures of a transient pod that I was amazed to run into off of Ft. Lauderdale a few years back on a blue water research dive.  They were following a deep school of tuna in the gulf stream.  We were at 95 feet in 1800 feet of water with 200+ feet of viz, watching a huge school of Tuna pass underneath at around 250 feet, turned and looked up to see 4 huge shadows coming down to us.  Dumfounded isn't the word for our looks.  A big male positioned between us and the rest of the pod of orcas, and slowed to almost a stop about 30 feet away, just observing us.   We weren't that interesting, in the end, and they continued following the tuna.

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Picture may have been from the same pod, taken in Barbados soon after we had run into them.  The hook in the dorsal fin indicates an offshore community.



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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2010, 10:18:23 PM »
Flat Wrong.

 :headscratch:  which part of the quote is wrong? and I didnt suggest they hunt people, that would be dumb because we dont live in the sea ...
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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2010, 01:32:52 AM »
What I fail to understand is this...

Early eye-witness reports were that the whale grabbed her around the midsection, then "thrashed her so wildly that her shoe was thrown off".  Other reports had the whale swiming in circles in front of the tank's view windows, with the trainer in its mouth while people there screamed in terror and exited the area in panic.

Later reports hold that the whale grabbed her playfully by the ponytail and pulled her in.  It was the trainer's fault that she lay on the training deck and had her pony tail dangling in the water.  The official spokesman called the death tragic; the trainer was drowned accidentally.

The water in the tanks is cold, and there were trainers and staff on-hand at the time of the attack or accident.  How long does a person have to be submerged in 50 degree water in order to be past resucitation?  There is advanced lifesaving equipment on-hand with trained personell specifically to deal with water accidents...how do these trained personell witness a person being dragged into a tank and fail to rescue her?  Is this a dodge by Sea World in order to avoid a lawsuit?  Blame the trainer's actions instead of the park being liable for having a whale interacting with humans that has a history of violence against them?  The whale was sold to Sea World under the provision that it be used only for breeding, not for shows...
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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2010, 01:37:41 AM »
My youngest daughter did the interaction program at Seaworld San Antonio. Here she is with the baluga whales.

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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2010, 01:43:12 AM »
Well a killer whale never killed nobody before besides having a killer whale killing a person in a Zoo is like a kid running around with a gun its gonna BLOW eventually.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2010, 07:24:22 AM »
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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2010, 12:07:25 PM »
:headscratch:  which part of the quote is wrong? and I didnt suggest they hunt people, that would be dumb because we dont live in the sea ...

It was wrong in that your implication of their intelligence and hunting strategies pegged them for the name "Killer" Whale.  The name originated from fishermen who called them the "Whale Killers" due to observations of pods hunting fully grown whales. 

"Whale Killer" got flipped to "Killer Whale" at some point, even though it was well documented by then that Orcinus orca isn't even a whale....it is in the dolphin family ( Linnaeus correctly classified it Delphinus orca in 1758) Most cetacean scientists will shudder at the mere mention of the common name, and will simply use the species name (orca) more often. 
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Re: SeaWorld trainer dies in killer whale attack in Orlando
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2010, 12:40:14 PM »
i said they have "killer" in the name because they kill fish and marine mammals.

you're saying they have "killer" in the name because they were observed killing marine mammals.

I'd say were in agreement :aok
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