avoiding the f4us prop hang ablilities

[Ardy123]

For what it's worth, 99% of the time I see this from my perspective (F4U) it's because the 109 pilot gets out in front of me in the scissors, and then pulls up too sharply.  This allows me to "cut across the corner" with a less-severe pull-up, which maintains my E, and allows me to climb up to and get a shot on a plane that I can't possibly compete with in the vertical.  So, I'm not turning in the vertical "tighter" at all...

If you can easily out-E 'em, why are you forcing the matter with a rolling scissors at all?

Well, the simple answer.. because it more fun to play dangerously! 

[grizz441]

If you can easily out-E 'em, why are you forcing the matter with a rolling scissors at all?

Makes for quicker killin.

[mtnman]

Makes for quicker killin.

Hehe, not according to the original post...

[ePIC]

The F4u competes much slower in the rolling scissor than a G14.  You're best bet is the wing over.  Visualize coming up at the F4u from the right side, he is coming down at you down and to his left.  You are able to get vertical just wide of his guns,  As you do this you need to be cutting throttle while you get your nose high and banking right.  The F4u will most likely have slashed from the left side of your aircraft to the right side.  As you bank on the wing over to the right, you must keep your nose high and set the angle perfect to where the F4U will come from.  The difference between this maneuver and standard rolling scissor is you DO NOT go inverted.  I hope you can visualize this.  It takes practice and looks funky from your enemies POV.

The above does work... and I did it on film I just cant figure out how to do it again.... thanks for explaining 

[grizz441]

Hehe, not according to the original post...

Sry, I was basing my replies on how Grizz efficiently ends F4U threats.   

[mtnman]

Sry, I was basing my replies on how Grizz efficiently ends F4U threats.   

So, if you've got more E than the F4U, you'll scissor him?

[Noah17]

I started AH as my first flight sim ever late last June and I chose the F4U-1A to learn on.....Mostly for misguided sentimental reasons; and not knowing how hard it would be to learn how to fly it effectively. No exaggeration I think my first month of flight I had something like 2 kills (probably proxies) and 47 deaths! Thanks to some like Mtnman and my squadmates w/VF-17 I've improved significantly.

I still however don't feel that I know how to use the big rudder of the F4U to its full ability and, can't perform the rolling scissors....It basically looks like one big slow barrel roll where I end up hanging in front of my attacker giving him an easy shot. A barrel roll may be good for a diving attacker but not for someone that is "saddled up" on my 6.

Is there a dedicated Hog driver that might have some time in the TA? Maybe one evening (except Tuesday) this next week????

Thanks all!!!
 

[Saxman]

Key to the rolling scissors in the F4U is to make sure you get your flaps out when your airspeed is low enough, and kicking the inside rudder to tighten up your roll. In fact, almost any time I'm rolling I'm giving her a bit of inside rudder to quicken it up.

[SAJ73]

Key to the rolling scissors in the F4U is to make sure you get your flaps out when your airspeed is low enough, and kicking the inside rudder to tighten up your roll. In fact, almost any time I'm rolling I'm giving her a bit of inside rudder to quicken it up.

Yes, I do the same. It sure helps to apply slightly inside rudder to tighten the rolls in the F4U.

[grizz441]

So, if you've got more E than the F4U, you'll scissor him?

Haha probably not.  Usually an aggressive spiral climb and flopping him out before coming in for the kill shot.  If I happen to miss, I will continue to put the pressure on for the kill.  If I continue to miss shots the fight will go to rolling scissor as a result of my aiming failures in pushing the aggression envelope.

[Steve]

All to often it seems that when I engage later war f4us, although I can easily out 'e' them in a rolling scissors with a 109, they can turn in the vertical much tighter and as a result, they can get their nose up, hang on the prop, fire a burst can kill you right as they are about to stall and drop themselves.

The question, how to avoid getting shot in these situations where you are engaged in a rolling scissors with an f4u.

Thanks

One thing that will help a skilled stick like you is to learn to recognize a skilled hog pilot early. For my part, I'll engage in a rolling scissor with any hog "BUT":  Moreso than most planes, you can quickly tell if a hog is competently flown. When it seems clear the plane/pilot combo is going to put you into his sights, select an escape vector as he noses away/up and reset the fight.

[Big Rat]

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Is there a dedicated Hog driver that might have some time in the TA? Maybe one evening (except Tuesday) this next week????

Thanks all!!!
 

Noah17,

I'm there most nights around 9central time, if you want to do some work

 
BigRat

[boomerlu]

For what it's worth, 99% of the time I see this from my perspective (F4U) it's because the 109 pilot gets out in front of me in the scissors, and then pulls up too sharply.  This allows me to "cut across the corner" with a less-severe pull-up, which maintains my E, and allows me to climb up to and get a shot on a plane that I can't possibly compete with in the vertical.  So, I'm not turning in the vertical "tighter" at all...

Yes, this seems like a common mistake for a +E airplane. Instead of using the airspeed, extending, and gaining enough distance to properly perform a rope or reset the fight, the 109 pulls up too soon. When your opponent is 200-400 behind you on your 6, that is NOT the time to try a rope.

[Noah17]

Hey BigRat,

I'll be there. Hopefully Monday, If you're busy I'll be there later in the week.

Thanks!!!!