Silent Hunter 5

[OOZ662]

It only takes actions if you let it.

My point exactly. And I'd rather spend my time playing a game rather than forcefully not letting it do things it ought not do. And, in this case, the only way to force it to is to rely on the hackers to crack the game, something that ought not be happening or needed in the first place.

[allaire]

Starforce was known to grant itself tier 0 access on your computer, it was also known to kill some optical drives.  As to your comment about scratching the DVD you are allowed by law to make ONE archival copy.  You use the copy and store the original until you need to make another backup, which is something that the devs keep forgetting about.  Personally I choose not to buy any software that has anything to do with any kind of cloud based computing.

[Nefarious]

Starforce was known to grant itself tier 0 access on your computer, it was also known to kill some optical drives.

I'm a Victim of the dead DVD-ROM here.

[Skuzzy]

Odd comments from a technical guy to be parnoid about software taking over and destroying his beloved PC.

Yeah I'd be one of those numpties, because I like Steam and I don't buy a game unless it is on Steam.. I like being able to go online, download a game and play it without having to worry about the DVD getting a scratch and never be able to load again. Or having to make sure DVD X is always inserted before starting. My PC and laptop now don't even have DVD players, with fast internet and USB sticks they are old tech.


<S>...-Gixer

Obviously you never dealt with root kits, or Starforce or Steam installations that completely disable a corporate LAN due DOS attacks from it.  Good on you.  I wish I lived in such a wonderful place.  I do not need software to make more work for me.  For me, no game is worth the risk.

[Gixer]

Obviously you never dealt with root kits, or Starforce or Steam installations that completely disable a corporate LAN due DOS attacks from it.  Good on you.  I wish I lived in such a wonderful place.  I do not need software to make more work for me.  For me, no game is worth the risk.

No corporate LAN should be connected to something like steam in the first place, or allow users to download from the net. Security is the start to "such a wonderful place" though I guess for a gaming company it's not that big a priority since the only impact at most is a local corporate LAN,this website or game.

Technically we come from two different backgrounds, mine is (or use to be) EFT switches,stock exchanges, bank networks, VOIP and Telco. Neither of those environments in all my experience allow users to as much as change the clock on their desktop let alone download files from the web,blindly surf any site they want or play LAN games etc.  

Seems to me the root cause of your problems is security, change control/management and users rather then oddball software attacks from software that shouldn't be there in first place.. For a corporate LAN that is..


<S>...-Gixer

[Skuzzy]

Did I say it was our LAN?  Did I say it was a LAN I ran?

You have no idea what I do or how I go about doing it.  You have no idea what my background is either.  Your assumptions, so far, have been consistently wrong.  As such, quit trying to tell me how to do my job.  If I need advice, I will ask someone who would take the time to understand the situation and not make blatantly incorrect assumptions without doing thier homework first.

[bozon]

It only takes actions if you let it. People follow the sheep and get paranoid over what they don't fully understand. They get paranoid about their gmail web account becuase they read somewhere on internet that it can be tracked/hacked. Yet happily download GB of movies and music from torrents a month.

You really don't get it do you?
What starts as a small concession, or worse - without your knowledge, and lasts long enough becomes the norm. Can you explain to me why I need to download a no-CD patch to almost every game? The CD requirement does not prevent piracy, it is just a nuisance to the legal owners. Yet this is the norm in the industry and the norm for customers: 1. buy the software 2. install 3.install no-CD 4.use the software. It is just the custom.

The software companies have very detailed and draconian demands of how I am allowed to use their software. At the same time, their software includes more than what I intended to buy and more often then not, it is OK for them to put thing in there without asking me. I don't care if it is "safe" or "not used for spying, really would we lie?" they have no right to install stuff not really required to run their software. In particular, things that will not be removed when I uninstall the main software.  

Take SHIII: I had the DVD, but the last time I installed the game I installed a cracked version. Not only it does not have starforce, it does not install ANYTING. That is right NOTHING is written outside of the game directory. unzip and launch. No crap in the registry, no crap in the drivers, delete the directory for a clean uninstall (except for save files). Now why the #$% does the original not work this way? If there is absolutely NO good reason to install anything outside the game directory, why do they? Why do we accept it?

We are just trained to drool and hit "yes" during installation. We are trained to accept anything that the software company demands, no matter how absurd it is and at the same time that we have no rights over what we buy and the company has no responsibility for what its software does on my property. We are trained not to protest and not try to punish software companies. Moto: "thank you sir! may I have another!"

[jdbecks]

played a bit of it and I find it quite fun, only problem is at the moment the auto TDC for getting a torpedo solution is to easy, and turning it off I cant hit nothing  Just need to master the manual calibration for torps

[OOZ662]

played a bit of it and I find it quite fun, only problem is at the moment the auto TDC for getting a torpedo solution is to easy, and turning it off I cant hit nothing  Just need to master the manual calibration for torps

I recommend you go to the SubSim forums and look up the "Dick O'Kane method."

[Gixer]

See Rule #4

[OOZ662]

Yes, you're able to tear apart one example. One. However, if Starforce isn't needed, why is it there? If it's just there to be there, it's an excessive threat to the machine. If it's there to do it's job, then it's taking excessive measures that I don't want on my computer.

[Gixer]

If it's there to do it's job, then it's taking excessive measures that I don't want on my computer.

Sorry but I still find it hilarious that you think Starforce is evil, yet willing to use peer to peer torrents and cracks that contain executable files from mainstream pirate sites.. I'd bet 9 out of 10 people using torrents have absolutely no idea how they work or full understanding of the risks.  If your going to use torrents then always do so on a stand alone rubbish PC that you can afford to trash. Never your main PC or laptop.


<S>...-Gixer

[mechanic]

I couldnt resist buying Silent Hunter 5 for under £20 in a bargain shop. It's pretty good, no hassle with drm so far. There is no steam or starfox or what have you that i've seen. Just a game and ubisoft account reg.

The graphics are very tasty, the AI seems slightly better than SH4.

Pros:

-great visuals
-being German again like U-boats should be
-european map, much better than pacific for imersion
-3d interior and full first person freedom on the sub - no more warping between crew stations, gotta run there
-totaly stunning water
-no more artillery fights with warships, they are strong and you take damage quickly
-no major FPS hit over SH4

Cons:
-dumbed down sub control - either at surface, peri depth, 40m or crash dive to deck. No elevation control by degrees
-poor control of rudder. either 1degree deflection or full deflection
-Same annoying crew reports - rudder left, rudder left, rudder center, we're in shallow water sir, ahead full, ahead half, rudder left over and over
-um...well thats about it really. Its pretty dang good.


PS: i also picked up a copy of SH3 as a replacement for only £1.50, sweet.

[Fishu]

-dumbed down sub control - either at surface, peri depth, 40m or crash dive to deck. No elevation control by degrees

Hold down CTRL for more or less precise depth and speed control.

[mechanic]

Thanks Fishu! Is there any way to control the rudder better?