Name This...(67)

[-lynx-]

The gun is a copy. Soumi was first, the Soviets copied it and adapted the PPSH to mass production. The PPSH has the same bolt, feed, magazine etc etc. Changing production methods and chambering didn't make the PPSH a new gun.

Blimey - the Finns themselves marvel at PPSh design, try to even adopt it for their own use, say it was not a copy... Out comes Sorrow and tells us otherwise "Kurt Tank -the father or all modern aircraft" debates spring to mind. Same feed/magazine? There's just so many ways to feed rounds into an automatic weapon, they largely remained unchanged since before the WW2. Adopted for mass production my a***...

Sorry Brady, didn't mean to hijack your thread - I'll go away and be quiet now  

[Staga]

Nice PPSh41 site: http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ppsh.html

Anyway fact is Russians developed PPSh41 because of their experiences in "WinterWar" in wrong side of Suomi kp/-31's barrel and IMHO its more than propable that they studied kp/-31 and copied some of its best parts.
Suomi kp was made to last forever and thats one reason why it had changeable barrel and users of gun usually had spare barrel if not in back-pack then somewhere near. Also spare barrel gave it a possibilty to keep fire up longer than machine-gun with fixed barrel.
That was one hell of a gun  

[pdog_109]

Originally posted by Rendar:
AK-47 was based on the StG-44.  Kalashnikov basically simplified it, and rechambered it for the 7.62x39mm round.

Wrong.

Actually the German Sturmgewehr is Mr Kalashnikov's most hated thing in the world  He said many times in interviews how he wished he had seen the darn thing before he designed the AK-47, maybe then he'd make his gun look different. Too many people claim that AK-47 was copied from the German rifle, but they never look deep enough into the gun itnernal design. AK-47 is ingeniously simple and effective, nothing like the MP44/StG44.

Kalashnikov:
 

Stg 44:
 

The top picture is actually Kalashnikov's prototype heavy MG, designed in early 1942. Two years before the MP44/StG44.

[brady]

lynx don't wory about it mate these Name This posts are for the love of this stuf History and military equipment, hijack away if you want i don't mind