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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #120 on: March 02, 2010, 07:14:45 AM »
OK then i guess this concludes my portion of the bait and troll in this thread  :D

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #121 on: March 02, 2010, 07:35:11 AM »
LOL.  The beauty of the intardnet: If you're losing an argument claim it was a troll and get out of jail free.   :D
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OK let me retort again <SIGH> (i can't believe no one is challengeing you guys on this except for me). Look it's like this. I understand very well the topic here. Dweebs taking down the hangers without trying to take them town and capture the base. But look at it from their POV.
Most don't have the skill to take you guys on unless they can shut your FHs down to give them time to grab some alt and catch you low when the hangers pop again. Then it's doubtful they'll get back to base to land any kills. I think it's a good tactic against the top notch flyers. I think you guys forgot or choose not to remember, what it's like just starting out in the game.

Do you think it is fun for them to be killed over and over and over again by you guys? Taking the FHs down and ruining a furball isn't something that just started. It's being going on for as long as I've been in the game anyhow. And it works! It can turn the tide of the way the furball is going.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #122 on: March 02, 2010, 07:50:32 AM »
Oh and here I thought you were an idiot. My mistake. Might wanna check that line again. Here's a hint. If the bobber isn't moving, there's nothing on it. Quit reeling it in. You're scaring away the fish.
I'll be the 1st to tell ya i ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. :aok No shame in my game ;) Indeed Junky makes a good point in the OP and all I'm really trying to say (and i've said it before), if mindless bombing for the sake of shutting down the furball pisses you off, well then take the ords out. It doesn't take Einstein to figure that out. No need to call me an idiot just because we may disagree. :salute
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #123 on: March 02, 2010, 08:00:57 AM »
I refuse to be relegated to the DA b/c the MA is full of tards. 
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #124 on: March 02, 2010, 09:46:21 AM »
  (i can't believe no one is challengeing you guys on this except for me)


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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #125 on: March 02, 2010, 09:55:39 AM »
I refuse to be relegated to the DA b/c the MA is full of tards. 

Not just tards, tards like this one: http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/Webb_Alan.asp

Even the pic says "Dorkus Maximus" - more so than this tiresome thread...

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That said, Junky's point is valid - even though I disagree. Without Air Superioirty locally, something greatly enabled by taking down the FH, base capture is more difficult. I concede it is not impossible, especially if you cap the base well with your balltards. You'll still see enemy fighters coming in from an adjacent base - and with better alt. But, you've increased their organizational challenge - and that's the irony of Junky's point, imj, since I believe the case he cites is a fine example of really entropic conduct. Put more simply, there is no concert of action, taking down the FHs helps to keep one from occurring.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #126 on: March 02, 2010, 09:56:03 AM »
I say again that Uptown does make a valid point.  I do a bit more than just furball so maybe it registers better with myself as opposed to others.  Consideration should be given to whether or not you should attack 1 of 2 bases involved in an obvious furball.  On the flipside, you also need to decide how important that furball is to you.  A simple flight or two can make sure it is safe for an hour or more... :aok
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #127 on: March 02, 2010, 11:03:41 AM »
It's the natural flow of the game. It can't be stopped plain and simple. All the different choices peeps have and number of people involved makes the game just feed on itself. People just want to fly bombers in a furball and hit the hangers sometimes.
Picture this: you're not very good at flying fighters against the likes of guys like Grizz, Bosco,Del, Junky, and who all else that was there the nite this thread started, and you wanted to get in a fight and have a chance to get a kill on one of these guys because they are good and you want a fighting chance to get the upper hand and maybe shot one down with a bomber.
You know what I'd do? I'd take their hangers out so that it'll allow me to catch them low and slow. It mixes it up a bit. If you don't it's kind of no fun for the other side :old:
What the war winners do is force the furballers to change their tactics at which they're better at, at the point in a battle. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the baby seals trying to fight back! :rock
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »
Get the quote then come talk to me :neener:

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #129 on: March 02, 2010, 11:27:53 AM »

Picture this: you're not very good at flying fighters against the likes of guys like Grizz, Bosco,Del, Junky, and who all else that was there the nite this thread started, and you wanted to get in a fight and have a chance to get a kill on one of these guys because they are good and you want a fighting chance to get the upper hand and maybe shot one down with a bomber.
You know what I'd do? I'd take their hangers out so that it'll allow me to catch them low and slow. It mixes it up a bit. If you don't it's kind of no fun for the other side :old:
What the war winners do is force the furballers to change their tactics at which they're better at, at the point in a battle. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the baby seals trying to fight back! :rock


Or they could do what guys like Ardy would do and fly out there and meet them in a fighter, fight them, learn and get better - now Ardy is damn good b/c he used to do just that.  What would the game be like if everyone had that attitude?  I know it will never happen, but it is fun to think about.
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #130 on: March 02, 2010, 11:28:58 AM »
That said, Junky's point is valid - even though I disagree. Without Air Superioirty locally, something greatly enabled by taking down the FH, base capture is more difficult. I concede it is not impossible, especially if you cap the base well with your balltards. You'll still see enemy fighters coming in from an adjacent base - and with better alt. But, you've increased their organizational challenge - and that's the irony of Junky's point, imj, since I believe the case he cites is a fine example of really entropic conduct. Put more simply, there is no concert of action, taking down the FHs helps to keep one from occurring.

The problem isn't a problem.

One, you almost never see FHs dropped at several bases at the same time (it takes too long and the hangars are back up too quickly, the exception being the V bases that are 5 miles apart), so defenders can always up somewhere. In two of Junky's screenshots he conveniently ignores the CVs cruising 20 miles or less from the base.

Two, with very rare exceptions, no one ever drops hangars to stop a furball, as opposed to taking the base. Junky claims they do because they don't take the base the way he thinks they should, but then, Junky doesn't take bases and has only contempt for those who do, so why should anyone care what he has to say about the way to do it?

Three, nine times out of ten the "furball" that's getting shut down is 20 guys circling a capped field so they can pad their scores by vulching everything that moves. That is pretty much without exception the whine that goes out on Range when hangars are dropped - "Why'd you drop the hangars? How are we supposed to get kills now?" And I have zero sympathy for it, especially since the same guys, who don't care about taking bases or winning the war, will also not care if one fighter slips the net and gets to town to kill the goon - they're all too busy still waiting for the next sucker to up and get blasted before his engine's fully caught. If they really want a fight, dropping hangars is doing them a favor, because they'll get to go somewhere else and try to kill people who aren't completely helpless. Who knows, they might learn a thing or two, like how to win a fair fight and not just run home as fast as their little pony hooves can take them as soon as they no longer have a massive e and numbers advantage.

Four, as has been said numerous times here, if there's a big battle going near the base, why can't the defenders kill the buffs? Fugitive may only climb to 6-8k so he can get to the fight quicker (wow we actually have one thing in common), but don't try to tell me there won't be a couple of guys wheeling around at 18k waiting to pick. The only problem is, those guys are afraid to engage a target that has any chance of actually shooting back. You could get shot down that way! The same goes for all the 262 jocks - why don't you put that plane to the use for which it was intended?

And five, dropping hangars doesn't mean there'll be no fight. It generally takes the bombers three or four minutes to get from the dar ring to the base, which is plenty of time for dozens of defenders to up if they care to. They sure get more warning and chance to fight back than they do against an NOE mission with 30 guys. And if it's near an existing furball there'll be plenty of people already in the air to respond. The problem is, people like Junky don't care about defending a base, they just want to whine once it's gone. Anyway, the purpose of dropping the hangars is very simple: if you don't, the defenders can get back in the fight ten times quicker than attackers can, so if they can kill one attacker for every ten defenders who go down, they win by attrition. If both sides have to fly 20 miles to the fight, it's much better for the attackers.

Of course, all the people who have contempt for taking bases and winning the war will say this is all wrong, but why should anyone care what they think? Do you care what a guy who loathes baseball and never watches a game thinks about the World Series?

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2010, 11:59:55 AM »
Or they could do what guys like Ardy would do and fly out there and meet them in a fighter, fight them, learn and get better - now Ardy is damn good b/c he used to do just that.  What would the game be like if everyone had that attitude?  I know it will never happen, but it is fun to think about.
and we'd have no 999000. It's a catch22  :salute
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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2010, 12:04:50 PM »
Taking out the buffs isn't the issue. As long as you have a bit of alt and patience they are pretty easy to take care of. The problem is fighter jocks want to fight fighter jocks, not buffs. I've seen many fighter jocks circling a field, not to vulch but to wait for the enemy to get off the ground.

Bombing FH to keep the good guys low is BS. Most of the time they are already low in the fight, or if they are defenders you have now FORCED them to up elsewhere and now they will grab otw back.

Oh and fighter jocks don't spent much time at furball lake in the DA because "picking" in a tempest isn't fighting, nor is dodging those tempests either. 

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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #133 on: March 02, 2010, 12:27:08 PM »
, they might learn a thing or two, like how to win a fair fight and not just run home as fast as their little pony hooves can take them as soon as they no longer have a massive e and numbers advantage.


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Re: Whats wrong with these screenshots?
« Reply #134 on: March 02, 2010, 12:57:39 PM »
This is an issue that's been long going and will never end, When a game involves so many different aspects, Fighters, Bombers, Ground vehicles, Each individual person is going to play the way they feel comfortable with and how they like to play, Unfortunately there are and will always be in online gaming people who just like to piss people off (greifers) its just what they do, its there whole online persona, just like many of us have our online persona's which are different from our normal everyday life's.

Everyone brings good points to the table from both sides, Junky i agree with alot of what you say, as well as Sunbat, Grizz, Waystin2, Crash O ,and uptown, its different views from how others play, obviously we cant take the  Bombers out of the game nor the GV's then it would be just a quake style furball aka DA furball lake which we all know would suck for the game, Ive heard alot of great pilots say the DA has degraded to a pick-a-thon which i agree, its hard to drag someone off for a good fight without the 4 pickers waiting high above, but we don't want the MA to turn into that either do we? It's kind of evolving that way now we all have to admit that, Now would making the center of every map Uncappable  3 Airfields with indestructible FH's and Vh's that way people who wanted to fight that way without worry of bombers dropping hangers that's the problem solver, NOW here we go tho will this Area turn into furrball lake in time? what can we do to keep it from doing that? and of course your going to get the greifer who will fly there just to drop bombs and be a tard but that's online gaming.  Like i said i agree with alot of you and i just tossed out a few idea's, its up to the players to keep the game fun for all because we all play it the way we enjoy it.  :salute
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