Author Topic: Will 190 rollrate be fixed in new revision ? (Read 1381 times)

Hristo · « **on:** July 15, 2001, 06:04:00 PM »

Just repeating old question based by NACA tables data posted in AH forums.

So, all planes roll too fast while 190 rolls too slow, am I right ?

214thCavalier · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2001, 06:53:00 PM »

May no longer be true, somebody else will confirm or deny it but some of the aircrafts roll rates were tweaked in a recent version.
I believe the Typhoon and the 109 were adjusted ? so others may have got the same attention.

minus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2001, 10:00:00 PM »

if all planes get down be 20 % like 190 it will be even more beter < so no more complain about warp roll >

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2001, 11:29:00 PM »

I would like to see the roll rate of the Fw190 fixed as well. I believe that the AH 190s roll too slowly, the NACA tests showed that.

I do question the validity of the NACA tests across the board however. That was a 50lb stick force test. How many lbs of stick force are modeled in AH?

214thCavalier

Nobody at HTC ever said anything that I ever saw about modifying the Bf109's roll rate. It has always been poor.

The only announced change that I saw was on the Typhoon.

Sombra · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2001, 05:08:00 PM »

Pyro, if you are reading this, this is a major issue, please fix roll rates, or at least do them proportionally to real figures.

Citabria · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2001, 06:22:00 PM »

neuter spit roll and n1k2 roll rates!

Yeager · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2001, 08:08:00 PM »

190s flop about like dying fish as it is and you goof-jobs want more roll added to these freeky things?

Excuse me while I vomit! LOL

Y

skernsk · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2001, 09:55:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager:
190s flop about like dying fish as it is and you goof-jobs want more roll added to these freeky things?

Excuse me while I vomit! LOL

Y

Amen!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2001, 10:21:00 PM »

And Spits turn just too darn tight when I try to kill them... Reduce their turn.

P51 (Yeager) run away and dive too fast when I try to kill them... Reduce their speed.

No objections?

Amen.

Hristo · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2001, 05:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager:
190s flop about like dying fish as it is and you goof-jobs want more roll added to these freeky things?

Excuse me while I vomit! LOL

Y

What kind of an argument is that, please ? I have heard of playability tweaks, but neutering a plane just so a person doesn't vomit would be a health tweak, huh ?

Most planes roll too fast in AH, but 190 rolls too slow. This is unfair to all 190 pilots.

190 is missing its roll rate.

Should we keep it just so Yeager doesn't vomit even more ? Talk about a whiner !

I may vomit because P51 is still fast ? Plaese, Pyro, reduce P51 speed

.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »

Here is some roll and G-load data I posted in another thread.In a modern evauluation done in 1989 by a group of military test pilots known as the "Society of expermental Test pilots" did a report to determine the best of the American WW2 fighters.

Borrowing A/C from different collectors the ballasted the A/C for various weights and checked engines for rated HP and then conducted several test.

One of which was roll rate and another was pound per G of stick force.

Roll time 360 degrees and rate 200KIAS 10,000ft.

P-47D-40
Right 4.9sec(74deg per sec)
Left 5.9sec (61deg)

FG-1D (F4U-1D)
Right 4.5sec 81deg
left 4.9sec 73deg

F6F-5
Right 4.6sec 78deg
Left 5.9 61 deg

P-51D
Right 4.8 75 deg
Left 5.1 71 deg

Pounds per G of stick force

FG-1D 5lbs per G
P-47D-40 7.5lbs per G
F6F-5 12.5lbs per G
P-51D 20lbs per G

Hope this adds some insight

Yeager · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2001, 01:06:00 PM »

Srry Hristo,

What I should have said is that the 190 already has a fantastic roll rate in the game and really does challenge even the best connects to display these rolls reliably on anyones screens (with the notable exception of the 190 driver).

Giving the best rolling machine in the arena even more roll capability might very well be self defeating for the 190 enthusiasts themselves surpassing that wall of datastream that already appears maxed out on most peoples FEs.

Yeager

[ 07-17-2001: Message edited by: Yeager ]

stahler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2001, 04:02:00 PM »

Yeager, it's really quite simple for you to fix... try buying a video card that was produced in the last 3 years.

Even my old K6-2 350Mhz with a 16MB Vodoo Banshee can handle following rolls.

Can we clean up the puke in here now?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2001, 04:04:00 PM »

Yeager is referring to what I call the "LimpWristed Shuffle", aka "warp rolling".

It's the internet that can't keep up with the data transfer, not his PC.
-SW

Hristo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2001, 01:36:00 AM »

So I undestrand what you saying. 190 lost its RL rolrate to prevent stick stirring.

But why then giving other planes FASTER roll rate than they had in RL ?