Author Topic: another beginner problem  (Read 1610 times)

Offline mgprojects

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2
another beginner problem
« on: March 02, 2010, 03:49:24 PM »
have done the stick calibration and mapped a fewcontrollers. after start up and throttle advance plane veers left and no rudder input will stop this, plane will actually turn completely around and most often crash. Saitek Cyborg X, stick.

Offline ImADot

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6215
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 03:55:11 PM »
Is that a twisty stick?  Did you map the Mode 1 (planes) Z-axis for "yaw" input?

If it's not a twisty stick, you're probably stuck with using the keyboard for rudder and/or using auto-takeoff to get off the ground.
My Current Rig:
GigaByte GA-X99-UD4 Mobo w/ 16Gb RAM
Intel i7 5820k, Win7 64-bit
NVidia GTX 970 4Gb ACX 2.0
Track IR, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals

Offline FLS

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11621
      • Trainer's Website
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 04:04:08 PM »
Forgive the obvious questions but your post wasn't specific on your controller mapping. Are you using rudder control or rudder trim?   Do you have the brakes mapped to controllers and is the left brake on? Does it also happen with the P-38?

Offline mgprojects

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM »
Thanks, it was bad rudder mapping, just new and confused.
Good Luck
Bob

Offline Traveler

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3148
      • 113th Lucky Strikes
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 02:20:48 PM »
Forgive the obvious questions but your post wasn't specific on your controller mapping. Are you using rudder control or rudder trim?   Do you have the brakes mapped to controllers and is the left brake on? Does it also happen with the P-38?

Use the P38L or P38J, the P38G appears to yaw to the left once full power is applied.  Not sure but the G many be modeled after the original production models ordered and shipped to the English.  The early models did not have counter rotating props. 
Traveler
Executive Officer
113th LUcky Strikes
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/113th_Lucky_Strikes

Offline Soulyss

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6559
      • Aces High Events
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 02:23:29 PM »
Use the P38L or P38J, the P38G appears to yaw to the left once full power is applied.  Not sure but the G many be modeled after the original production models ordered and shipped to the English.  The early models did not have counter rotating props. 

The G has the same counter rotating props that the J and L have.  AFAIK the models w/out that were originally sold to the British never served in the USAAF in combat roles, but some did find there way into training centers. 
80th FS "Headhunters"
I blame mir.

Offline Traveler

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3148
      • 113th Lucky Strikes
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 03:38:10 PM »
The G has the same counter rotating props that the J and L have.  AFAIK the models w/out that were originally sold to the British never served in the USAAF in combat roles, but some did find there way into training centers. 

I'm just saying that the P38 G model in AH yaws to the left and you need to hold right rudder when applying take off power.  The J and L models do not yaw to the left. 
Traveler
Executive Officer
113th LUcky Strikes
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/113th_Lucky_Strikes

Offline FLS

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11621
      • Trainer's Website
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 04:13:01 PM »
I'm just saying that the P38 G model in AH yaws to the left and you need to hold right rudder when applying take off power.  The J and L models do not yaw to the left.  

This should be a separate thread, I'll post it in the bug forum. I don't remember this happening but I just tried it twice with trim centered and it yawed left. Then I noticed rudder trim had moved on takeoff which shouldn't happen since I use analog trim. I re-centered the rudder trim and it took off straight. It seems to be a rudder trim bug. I don't know if it just affects analog trim or if it's a controller issue rather than an AH issue.

Traveler what controller are you using? I tried this on a different PC without a controller and it took off straight.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 04:25:40 PM by FLS »

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 07:43:58 PM »
Use the P38L or P38J, the P38G appears to yaw to the left once full power is applied.  Not sure but the G many be modeled after the original production models ordered and shipped to the English.  The early models did not have counter rotating props. 

The P-38G does not yaw to the left when applying power or once full power has been applied, either on take off or in the air.  None of the 'early' P-38s for the USAAF were produced without counter rotating propellors.  The only ones were the Model 322's (The Gelding P-38s) that were sent to England and France and as Soulyss mentioned, were given back to the USAAF and were converted back and used as trainers.

ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline Fianna40

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 09:54:36 PM »
This sounds similar to my problem. I'm rather green, just obtained a Saitek Cyborg X stick, and I believe that I calibrated it through both windows and AH. How does one map the z-axis properly? I've been practicing using a spitfire V or an F4F4. I have managed to stalk and kill the largest target (B-24), but it's been a bear. I've been working exclusively offline thus far, before testing the waters online.

Any advice would be appreciated.
"This is it chaps" - 'Paddy' Finucane

Offline Traveler

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3148
      • 113th Lucky Strikes
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 01:36:15 PM »
The P-38G does not yaw to the left when applying power or once full power has been applied, either on take off or in the air.  None of the 'early' P-38s for the USAAF were produced without counter rotating propellors.  The only ones were the Model 322's (The Gelding P-38s) that were sent to England and France and as Soulyss mentioned, were given back to the USAAF and were converted back and used as trainers.

ack-ack

You are correct.  I discovered a probem with my peddles.  Not sure why it only occured when I flew the G model , but I was able to clean the peddels and re-calibrate and now it tracks the centerline.
Traveler
Executive Officer
113th LUcky Strikes
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/113th_Lucky_Strikes

Offline Traveler

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3148
      • 113th Lucky Strikes
Re: another beginner problem
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 01:47:22 PM »
This should be a separate thread, I'll post it in the bug forum. I don't remember this happening but I just tried it twice with trim centered and it yawed left. Then I noticed rudder trim had moved on takeoff which shouldn't happen since I use analog trim. I re-centered the rudder trim and it took off straight. It seems to be a rudder trim bug. I don't know if it just affects analog trim or if it's a controller issue rather than an AH issue.

Traveler what controller are you using? I tried this on a different PC without a controller and it took off straight.

I have a set of Pro Peddles from CH.  I think I discovered a problem with them, I pretty much disassembled my control unit and  cleaned them, re-calibrated them within AH and my problem seems to have gone away.  I only noticed the yaw to the left in the G model which thinking back is strange if the problem was only in the controller. It should have happened in any aircraft. 

I seldom use the rudder trim key which is different then the rudder keys “A” left rudder and the “D” key, Right rudder. 
Traveler
Executive Officer
113th LUcky Strikes
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/113th_Lucky_Strikes