Author Topic: Any more zeroes we can get?  (Read 536 times)

Offline 321BAR

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6140
Any more zeroes we can get?
« on: March 04, 2010, 09:31:13 PM »
I'd love to expand my zero flying skills to more classes of zekes... any chance?
I am in need of a new epic quote
Happy Jack's Go Buggy

Offline AWwrgwy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5478
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 09:36:01 PM »
I'd love to expand my zero flying skills to more classes of zekes... any chance?

What did you have in mind?  How would it expand your zero flying skills?

Please expand.


thank you,

wrongway
71 (Eagle) Squadron
"THAT"S PAINT!!"

"If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through."
- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay

Offline Plawranc

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2683
      • Youtube Channel
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 09:40:01 PM »
A6M 5c

Same performance as the A but noobier.

Why you ask?

4 20mm CANNONS !!!!!!!!! :D
DaPacman - 71 Squadron RAF

"There are only two things that make life worth living. Fornication and Aviation"

Offline Saxman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9155
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 09:41:26 PM »
Oh heck yeah there is. Grabbed this from another thread I'd posted it in:

A6M2 Model 21 - As we have now.

A6M3 Model 32 - This was a clipped-wing Zero with an improved engine. Although fewer were produced than the full-span Model 22, using the clipped-wing variant would set it apart from the others more. Additionally, the clipped-wing "Hamp" was encountered in rather large numbers during the Guadalcanal campaign. Whether the Model 32 or 22, however, the A6M3 would be invaluable for the mid-war period which currently substitutes the much less appropriate A6M5b (closer in vintage to our F4U-1A, c.1944).

A6M3 Model 22 - Basically the same airframe as the Model 21, but with the improved engine of the Model 32.

A6M5 Model 52 - The A6M5 could be modeled like the I-16 with several armament options:
  • Model 52 - 2x7.7mm and 2x20mm; Mk3 drum magazine with 100rds/gun for the 20mm
  • Model 52a - 2x7.7mm and 2x20mm; Mk4 belt feed with 125rds/gun for the 20mm (125rds/gun for all subsequent gun options)
  • Model 52b - 1x7.7mm, 1x12.7mm and 2x20mm (as we have now)
  • Model 52c - 3x12.7mm (one in the cowl and two in the wings) and 2x20mm

This would especially allow some flexibility for special events, by including early and late armament options. There would be SOME leeway required since the Model 52a and later added an armored windscreen.

A6M6 Model 53c - The changes over the Model 52 were the addition of fully self-sealed fuel tanks and a different engine. The Sakae 31a engine on the Model 53 added water-methanol injection, which would give it a small performance increase (by about 80hp) over the Model 52 because of WEP (the only Zeke that would have it). The self-sealing fuel tanks would also be a BIG change to the Zero by making it less likely to light on fire. Armament and ordinance loadout options are the same as the Model 52c. More performance information SHOULD be available, as one of the three remaining (original) Zeros still in flyable condition is an A6M6.

The addition of WEP and self-sealing fuel tanks should set the A6M6 apart from the rest of the Zeros enough to warrant its inclusion.

And let's not forget the Ki-43:

Ki-43-I
  • Ki-43-Ia - 2x7.7mm
  • Ki-43-Ib - 1x7.7mm and 1x12.7mm
  • Ki-43-Ic - 2x12.7mm

Ki-43-III - Uprated engine and drop tank provisions
  • Ki-43-IIIa - 2x12.7mm
  • Ki-43-IIIb - 2x20mm

Gun package options could REALLY open up a large number of variants. And sorry Plawranc, no 4x20mm on the A6M5c.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 09:43:47 PM by Saxman »
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

Offline AirFlyer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 09:43:38 PM »
Are there any more variants that saw enough service and numbers to be modeled into the game?

Absolutely!

Preferably I would like to see the A6M3-22 but the A6M3-32, A6M5, A6M5a, and possibly the A6M5c saw enough combat and numbers to technically be modeled in.
Tours: Airflyer to 69 - 77 | Dustin57 92 - 100 | Spinnich 100 - ?
"You'll always get exactly what you deserve." Neil

Offline AirFlyer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 09:45:04 PM »
A6M 5c

Same performance as the A but noobier.

Why you ask?

4 20mm CANNONS !!!!!!!!! :D

False...
Tours: Airflyer to 69 - 77 | Dustin57 92 - 100 | Spinnich 100 - ?
"You'll always get exactly what you deserve." Neil

Offline Saxman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9155
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 09:46:28 PM »
False...

Yup. As I posted in my lest, the Model 52c carried 3x 12.7mm machine guns (one in the cowl and each wing).
Ron White says you can't fix stupid. I beg to differ. Stupid will usually sort itself out, it's just a matter of making sure you're not close enough to become collateral damage.

Offline RaptorL

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 292
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 09:47:36 PM »
More Japanese? I'm for it. +

Offline AirFlyer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 09:48:33 PM »
Yup. As I posted in my lest, the Model 52c carried 3x 12.7mm machine guns (one in the cowl and each wing).

Curious, do you have an accurate numbers of production on the A6M6c? Although it seems like it would be a much worse performer then the rest of our A6Ms I'm curious on how many actually made it off the line.
Tours: Airflyer to 69 - 77 | Dustin57 92 - 100 | Spinnich 100 - ?
"You'll always get exactly what you deserve." Neil

Offline Plawranc

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2683
      • Youtube Channel
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 09:52:58 PM »
There is a variant of Zero with 4 20mm cannons, it might be a field modification but they did exist.
DaPacman - 71 Squadron RAF

"There are only two things that make life worth living. Fornication and Aviation"

Offline AirFlyer

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1210
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 09:54:10 PM »
There is a variant of Zero with 4 20mm cannons, it might be a field modification but they did exist.

Sure didn't, I believe your thinking of the A7M, which never made combat before the war ended.
Tours: Airflyer to 69 - 77 | Dustin57 92 - 100 | Spinnich 100 - ?
"You'll always get exactly what you deserve." Neil

Offline onan

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 130
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 02:01:51 PM »
A6m6 -53c   :pray

Offline HighTone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1299
      • Squad Site
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 11:50:28 PM »
 I would love to see more Japanese plans. Esp for the special events. Double  :aok for Saxmans post  :cheers:

LCA Special Events CO     LCA ~Tainan Kokutai~       
www.lcasquadron.org      Thanks for the Oscar HTC

Offline 321BAR

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6140
Re: Any more zeroes we can get?
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2010, 09:36:51 AM »
Oh heck yeah there is. Grabbed this from another thread I'd posted it in:

A6M2 Model 21 - As we have now.

A6M3 Model 32 - This was a clipped-wing Zero with an improved engine. Although fewer were produced than the full-span Model 22, using the clipped-wing variant would set it apart from the others more. Additionally, the clipped-wing "Hamp" was encountered in rather large numbers during the Guadalcanal campaign. Whether the Model 32 or 22, however, the A6M3 would be invaluable for the mid-war period which currently substitutes the much less appropriate A6M5b (closer in vintage to our F4U-1A, c.1944).

A6M3 Model 22 - Basically the same airframe as the Model 21, but with the improved engine of the Model 32.

A6M5 Model 52 - The A6M5 could be modeled like the I-16 with several armament options:
  • Model 52 - 2x7.7mm and 2x20mm; Mk3 drum magazine with 100rds/gun for the 20mm
  • Model 52a - 2x7.7mm and 2x20mm; Mk4 belt feed with 125rds/gun for the 20mm (125rds/gun for all subsequent gun options)
  • Model 52b - 1x7.7mm, 1x12.7mm and 2x20mm (as we have now)
  • Model 52c - 3x12.7mm (one in the cowl and two in the wings) and 2x20mm

This would especially allow some flexibility for special events, by including early and late armament options. There would be SOME leeway required since the Model 52a and later added an armored windscreen.

A6M6 Model 53c - The changes over the Model 52 were the addition of fully self-sealed fuel tanks and a different engine. The Sakae 31a engine on the Model 53 added water-methanol injection, which would give it a small performance increase (by about 80hp) over the Model 52 because of WEP (the only Zeke that would have it). The self-sealing fuel tanks would also be a BIG change to the Zero by making it less likely to light on fire. Armament and ordinance loadout options are the same as the Model 52c. More performance information SHOULD be available, as one of the three remaining (original) Zeros still in flyable condition is an A6M6.

The addition of WEP and self-sealing fuel tanks should set the A6M6 apart from the rest of the Zeros enough to warrant its inclusion.

And let's not forget the Ki-43:

Ki-43-I
  • Ki-43-Ia - 2x7.7mm
  • Ki-43-Ib - 1x7.7mm and 1x12.7mm
  • Ki-43-Ic - 2x12.7mm

Ki-43-III - Uprated engine and drop tank provisions
  • Ki-43-IIIa - 2x12.7mm
  • Ki-43-IIIb - 2x20mm

Gun package options could REALLY open up a large number of variants. And sorry Plawranc, no 4x20mm on the A6M5c.
you just nailed every single thing i wanted... even the Ki 43 too
I am in need of a new epic quote
Happy Jack's Go Buggy