Remove WEP from the Birdcage Corsair

[Krusty]

Hey, don't blame ME! I love a lot of planes, the corsair just doesn't grab my attention like, say, a 109 or a p39 or something.

 

[smoe]

I clipped this from the htc F4U-4 plane info. website. If anything, the -1 and -1A may be ok with WEP and need to be upgraded with the same hard points as the -1C.


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/F4U-4 :

Throughout 1943 and 1944, and into the beginning of 1945, Vought continued upgrading the F4U Corsair's "1-Series." The F4U-1, 1A, 1D and 1C, however, all shared the same core, and modifications and updates were often implemented in the field on earlier variants as they were introduced in the factory on the later models (for example 1As still in service were retrofit to carry the same wingroot pylons and four rocket tab positions used on the 1C).

[Saxman]

I clipped this from the htc F4U-4 plane info. website. If anything, the -1 and -1A may be ok with WEP and need to be upgraded with the same hard points as the -1C.


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/F4U-4 :

No, it isn't ok with WEP. No birdcage Corsairs I'm aware of ever carried the 8(W) engine. They all used the 2800-8, which didn't have WEP.

Also, the 1A doesn't need to be upgraded with the pylons. If you read more closely, the 1A wasn't factory built that way. It was essentially a field mod.

[Shifty]

If anything, the -1 and -1A may be ok with WEP and need to be upgraded with the same hard points as the -1C.

Like the 1D, the aircraft was fitted with two main pylons inboard of the landing gear, and rocket tabs for four 5" HVARs on each wing, for a total of 8. The wing-mounted fuel tanks were eliminated, and even more of the fabric-covered wing surface was replaced with metal.

 It says like the 1D the aircraft was fitted with two hardpoints. Not like the -1 and -1A.
Reading is fundamental.

[Squire]

The various improvements to the F4U-1 were the bubble canopy, the center rack, and the -8W engine. Those improvements were gradually "standardised" to the point where giving it the "A" designation came along to differentiate it from the earlier configurations. The upgrades did not all happen at once, and many a/c had some but not the other improvements.

So the F4U-1 with the -8W would represent either later models of that version, or older models that had the engine swapped out from an -8 to a -8W.

The "birdcage" F4U-1 soldiered on well into 1944. 

So I think its "correct" to have it with either.

[Old Sport]

I'd go for a de-WEPed Birdcage.

But it would be nice if they could be the "land-based" version without arresting and wing-folding hardware. Woo hoo. 

Sax would know more about that than I. 

Best.

[Saxman]

I'd go for a de-WEPed Birdcage.

But it would be nice if they could be the "land-based" version without arresting and wing-folding hardware. Woo hoo. 

Sax would know more about that than I. 

Best.

I've been wanting that as a clipboard option in the 1A. It's not a field mod, either. The majority of Corsairs (FG-1As and FG-1Ds) produced by Goodyear were factory-built that way.

[AKDogg]

lol, take the wep away and then see what I do in a -1a.  You guys wouldn't have a chance then.  2 main reasons I fly the -1.  1 because it has a eny value of 25 which we rarely hit.  2nd reason is to give u all a chance.

BTW, like someone mentioned here in this post, the -1 did have wep in the later because of improvements.  Originally they didn't when they first came out but was added shortly after.

[Saxman]

lol, take the wep away and then see what I do in a -1a.  You guys wouldn't have a chance then.  2 main reasons I fly the -1.  1 because it has a eny value of 25 which we rarely hit.  2nd reason is to give u all a chance.

BTW, like someone mentioned here in this post, the -1 did have wep in the later because of improvements.  Originally they didn't when they first came out but was added shortly after.

Dogg,

Everything that I can find points to WEP not being introduced into the Corsairs until AFTER the change to the -1A. I can't find anything that shows the 8(W) engine was ever used operationally in the -1. It would be FAR more representative for HTC to remove WEP from it.

[smoe]

A big doh! for shifty, the quote I clipped was from an HTC F4U-4 page. That is an -4 not a -1 in the title.

Lol I agree, reading is essential, especially the heading. 

[shiv]

!!!!

Let's not do anything hasty.  Just in my second month or so of flying the -1 and I love the damn thing.  Let's debate this for a while and then quietly let it drop...

[Saxman]

!!!!

Let's not do anything hasty.  Just in my second month or so of flying the -1 and I love the damn thing.  Let's debate this for a while and then quietly let it drop...

If something is incorrect the sooner it gets fixed the better. The -1 didn't have the water-injection R2800-8(W), this wasn't introduced until the 1A.

[smoe]

So, if a -1 were field upgraded with a -8(W) it would become an -1A designation? If this is true, then yes, technically speaking -1's never had a -8(W)? So, this thread may be more like compairing apples to oranges?

[Saxman]

The key difference between the -1 and early 1As was the replacement of the canopy with the partial-framed bubble and the stall strip on the leading edge of the right wing. Sometime after this change Vought began fitting the 1As with the 8(W) engine in the factory.

Any -1 Birdcages with 8(W)s would have been retrofit in the field later, but because of HTC's own policy on field mods that doesn't justify WEP on the -1 (otherwise we may as well get the dive brakes on the P-38J).

[whiteman]

well if it does happen my perk reaper and I will be climbing a bit higher.