Author Topic: Dewoitine D.520  (Read 1904 times)

Offline stealth

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1340
Dewoitine D.520
« on: March 10, 2010, 04:14:29 AM »
The Dewoitine D.520.The thing to me with its short fin looks more like a air racer then a combat plane it still deserves its part in the game.It served the battle of France and should have its part in the game.
Armament
One 20-mm Hispano-Suiza HS-404 fixed forward-firing cannon between the engine's cylinder banks, and four 0.295-in(7.5-mm) MAC 34 m39 fixed forward-firing machine guns in the leading edges of the wing.
Powerplant
One Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 Vee piston engine rated at 935 hp.
Performance
Maximum speed 332 mph at 18,045 ft cruising speed 230 mph at optimum altitude;climb to 13,125 ft in five minutes 48 seconds service ceiling 34,450 range 950 miles.
My Email is ACalex88@gmail.com if you want to contact me

"I shall fear no evil, for I am 80,000 feet and climbing"

Offline Scherf

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3409
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 05:05:19 AM »
want




Question is, where would it fit in the AvA?


(grins)





edit - It *did* fight for the Vichy forces in North Africa, n'est-ce pas?
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

Offline PJ_Godzilla

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2661
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 06:22:28 AM »
want




Question is, where would it fit in the AvA?


(grins)





edit - It *did* fight for the Vichy forces in North Africa, n'est-ce pas?

Conceivably, on both sides... Why not?
Some say revenge is a dish best served cold. I say it's usually best served hot, chunky, and foaming. Eventually, you will all die in my vengeance vomit firestorm.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 12:45:09 PM »


edit - It *did* fight for the Vichy forces in North Africa, n'est-ce pas?

Yep, and got chewed up by US Navy fighters during the Torch landings, though the D.520 did give a good account of itself over France during the battle for France against the Luftwaffe.

ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 12:48:42 PM »
What few there were were mostly ineffective due to the way the French air force was tied more to the uncoordinated armies. Logistically they were just "set up all wrong" IMO.

The majority of fighters were the MS 410s. The 520 was (I'll say it) "rare" and fills no planeset holes.

I'm curious about the French involvement in the Torch landings. Got any quick-n-dirty online links?

Offline PJ_Godzilla

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2661
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 12:57:42 PM »
What few there were were mostly ineffective due to the way the French air force was tied more to the uncoordinated armies. Logistically they were just "set up all wrong" IMO.

The majority of fighters were the MS 410s. The 520 was (I'll say it) "rare" and fills no planeset holes.

I'm curious about the French involvement in the Torch landings. Got any quick-n-dirty online links?

And Bloch 152s and Arsenal VG.33s... We should have those plus the D520, Blenheim, Battle, and Ms.406 so that we can do the battle of France. We've already got the gravity-feed carbureted Hurri and Spit. I love that hurri Mk.I, btw. You can do slow loops in that something like all day. At one point, while waiting around, I pulled 7 of those in a row.







Some say revenge is a dish best served cold. I say it's usually best served hot, chunky, and foaming. Eventually, you will all die in my vengeance vomit firestorm.

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 01:02:06 PM »
The Hurr1 and Spit1 we have in-game were well after the BOF. BOF era hurricanes had fixed pitch 2-blade wooden props and lesser performance overall. Also the same goes for the 110C and the 109E4 we have in-game. They are not representative for the time frame. The Ju-87 is a much much later model.

If you add all these planes, the only thing in the game that matches this timeline is the a6m2, the d3a, and the I-16 (only if you fly it without 20mm cannons). Maybe the P-40B (maybe not)

What would they fight?

Offline PJ_Godzilla

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2661
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 01:23:29 PM »
The Hurr1 and Spit1 we have in-game were well after the BOF. BOF era hurricanes had fixed pitch 2-blade wooden props and lesser performance overall. Also the same goes for the 110C and the 109E4 we have in-game. They are not representative for the time frame. The Ju-87 is a much much later model.

If you add all these planes, the only thing in the game that matches this timeline is the a6m2, the d3a, and the I-16 (only if you fly it without 20mm cannons). Maybe the P-40B (maybe not)

What would they fight?

It's like the theater - it demands a willing suspension of disbelief. Which is, coincidentally, what I'd need to believe your unsourced assertion about fixed pitch props on early Spit variants since the Spitters got two-position DH props from the 78th production airframe (a Mk. I, fyi) onward):

The early Mk Is were powered by the 1,030 hp (768 kW) Merlin Mk II engine driving an Aero-Products "Watts" 10 ft 8 in (3.3 m) diameter two-blade wooden fixed-pitch propeller, weighing 83 lb (38 kg).[a]

Early on in the Spitfire's life it was found that at altitudes above about 15,000 ft (4,572 m), any condensation could freeze in the guns. The system of gun heating, described above, was introduced on the 61st production Mk I.[21] At the outset of World War II, the flash-hiders on the gun muzzles were removed and the practice of sealing the gun ports with fabric patches was instituted. The patches kept the gun barrels free of dirt and debris and allowed the hot air to heat the guns more efficiently. When the guns were fired the patches were shot through, these were replaced by the ground-crew during rearming. Early production aircraft were fitted with a ring and bead gunsight, although provision had been made for a reflector sight to be fitted once one had been selected. In July 1938, the Barr and Stroud GM 2 was selected as the standard RAF reflector gunsight and was fitted to the Spitfire from late 1938.[22] These first production Mk Is were able to reach a maximum speed of 362 mph (583 km/h) at 18,500 ft (5,600 m), with a maximum rate of climb of 2,490 ft/min at 10,000 ft (3,000 m). The service ceiling (where the climb rate drops to 100 ft/min) was 31,900 ft (9,700 m).[23]

From the 78th production airframe, the Aero Products propeller was replaced by a 350 lb (183 kg) de Havilland 9 ft 8 in (2.97 m) diameter, three-bladed, two-position, metal propeller, which greatly improved take-off performance, maximum speed and the service ceiling. It also started the incremental weight increases which continued through the life of the airframe. From the 175th production aircraft, the Merlin Mk III, which had a "universal" propeller shaft able to take a de Havilland or Rotol propeller was fitted. Following complaints from pilots a new form of "blown" canopy was manufactured and started replacing the original "flat" version in early 1939. This canopy improved headroom and enabled better vision laterally, and to the rear. Late in 1940, a Martin-Baker designed quick release mechanism, allowing the pilot to quickly jettison the cockpit canopy, began to be retroactively fitted to all Spitfires. The system employed unlocking pins, actuated by cables operated by the pilot pulling a small, red rubber ball mounted on the canopy arch. When freed, the canopy was taken away by the slipstream.[24]

Keep it sharp, Mr. Krusty. Let's not go making factual misstatements.
Some say revenge is a dish best served cold. I say it's usually best served hot, chunky, and foaming. Eventually, you will all die in my vengeance vomit firestorm.

Offline Bruv119

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15678
      • http://www.thefewsquadron.co.uk
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 03:23:04 PM »
+1  need this way more than a crappy HE-111   :aok

viva la France
The Few ***
F.P.H

Offline Krusty

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 26745
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 04:30:20 PM »
It's like the theater - it demands a willing suspension of disbelief. Which is, coincidentally, what I'd need to believe your unsourced assertion about fixed pitch props on early Spit variants since the Spitters got two-position DH props from the 78th production airframe (a Mk. I, fyi) onward):

Er... I said the HURRICANES had 2-blade fixed pitch props.. The spits from that time also had lesser performance because of the lack of constant-speed propellors. less climb, acceleration, and our BOB-era Spit Mk.Ia uses 100 octane. I only lumped the spit in there as a comparison for what a D.520 might go up against. I probably should not have, since NONE fought in the BOF. The few Hurricane squads the Brits sent over depleted UK reserves to the point a letter was sent saying "You have to decide now: Defend France or Defend us, because we can't do both" -- and the decision was made to send no more to France.

Offline Noir

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5964
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 05:32:00 PM »
good stuff  :aok
now posting as SirNuke

Offline PJ_Godzilla

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2661
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 05:35:15 PM »
Er... I said the HURRICANES had 2-blade fixed pitch props.. The spits from that time also had lesser performance because of the lack of constant-speed propellors. less climb, acceleration, and our BOB-era Spit Mk.Ia uses 100 octane. I only lumped the spit in there as a comparison for what a D.520 might go up against. I probably should not have, since NONE fought in the BOF. The few Hurricane squads the Brits sent over depleted UK reserves to the point a letter was sent saying "You have to decide now: Defend France or Defend us, because we can't do both" -- and the decision was made to send no more to France.

Good clarification.
Some say revenge is a dish best served cold. I say it's usually best served hot, chunky, and foaming. Eventually, you will all die in my vengeance vomit firestorm.

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23048
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 06:36:15 PM »
Er... I said the HURRICANES had 2-blade fixed pitch props.. The spits from that time also had lesser performance because of the lack of constant-speed propellors. less climb, acceleration, and our BOB-era Spit Mk.Ia uses 100 octane. I only lumped the spit in there as a comparison for what a D.520 might go up against. I probably should not have, since NONE fought in the BOF. The few Hurricane squads the Brits sent over depleted UK reserves to the point a letter was sent saying "You have to decide now: Defend France or Defend us, because we can't do both" -- and the decision was made to send no more to France.
A larger percentage of RAF fighters were committed to the defense of France than of French fighters, FYI.  No need to spread roadkill about a "few" Hurricane squads sent over causing the depletion of RAF fighter command, a gross misrepresentation of what happened.
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline TwinBoom

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2960
      • 39th FS "Cobra In The Clouds"
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 07:53:46 PM »
What few there were were mostly ineffective due to the way the French air force was tied more to the uncoordinated armies. Logistically they were just "set up all wrong" IMO.

The majority of fighters were the MS 410s. The 520 was (I'll say it) "rare" and fills no planeset holes.

I'm curious about the French involvement in the Torch landings. Got any quick-n-dirty online links?

krusty has been hating on the D520 for years

+10 to cancel his neg BS
TBs Sounds 
39th FS "Cobra In The Clouds"NOSEART

Offline PJ_Godzilla

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2661
Re: Dewoitine D.520
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 10:06:23 PM »
krusty has been hating on the D520 for years

+10 to cancel his neg BS

Correction: Krusty has been hating on new adds for years.

Okay, now that I've chucked a lit butt into the rattler pile, to be fair to the ol' Krustbucket, his position looks more sophisticated than that to me. I think what he's really hating on are outrageous claims vis-a-vis proposed adds.

As for Karnak's correction of the Krusted one, I think it has merit, given that there were but 10 squads of Hurris assigned to the defense of French stench.

Unfair? Hey, I've been there. A little rape and pillage at the hands of le boche probably did the ambiance a bit of good, long run. Judging by all the shaved heads and chucked stones, not to mention that little Vichy business, you can't say the French didn't have mixed emotions about the war - and that brings us full circle, I believe. QED.
Some say revenge is a dish best served cold. I say it's usually best served hot, chunky, and foaming. Eventually, you will all die in my vengeance vomit firestorm.