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How about an "early war" IJA fighter?
« on: October 03, 2000, 11:15:00 PM »
Clue: It can climb to 5000m in 4.28 minutes...  

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2000, 11:35:00 PM »
Answer is Ki-44-IIb.  

It can climb to 5,000m in 4'26"...  

BTW, Ki-44-IIa climb to 5000m in 4'15".

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2000, 12:20:00 AM »
SHOW ME THE SHOKI!!!!!

 

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2000, 12:43:00 AM »
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2000, 08:52:00 AM »
Shoki early war?  Early war would be Ki-43 Hyabusa.

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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2000, 08:58:00 AM »
Ki-44-I was in service before 12/7/41.  That's as early as you get in the Pacific...


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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2000, 09:27:00 AM »
5000 m is about 15k
This means it would climb about the same as Spit 5 and be outclimbed and outran by most of the other monsters in the arena.

How about Ki84 or Ki 61 first ?

For that matter.. WHERE IS THE SPITFIRE XIV ????
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2000, 01:53:00 PM »
BZZT 16,400 feet.  Average climb rate is about 3900 fpm between 0m and 5000m!  The AH Spit 9 and Spit V would be sucking exhaust fumes.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2000, 10:48:00 PM »
SHOKI, SHOKI, SHOKI.....

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2000, 11:10:00 PM »
Even the La-5FN would be sucking exhaust fumes in a climbing contest.

It does 376mph at 17k with 1320hp. At sea level it has 200hp more - I wonder how fast it goes then?

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2000, 09:46:00 AM »
Funked,

According to "Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War" by Rene J Francillon the Shoki completed trials and was accepted by the JAAF (Japanese Army Air Force) in September 1942.  
The Ki-43 first flew in 1938 and was well into production while the Shoki was still on the drawing board.  I'm not saying the Ki-43 was better just earlier.  

The Shoki production ended in late 1944 as the Ki-84 took over.  

The Shoki was a good plane but the Hayate and Ki-100 were better.  My vote would be for either of these aircraft over the Shoki from a pure performance stand-point.  

Prior to 1942 there were only 10 Shoki's produced.  I wouldn't classify that as being in service.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2000, 10:42:00 AM »
Elevon says...
 
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The pre-production aircraft and two of the prototypes (which had been brought up to pre-production standard) were turned over to the Army for service trials on September 15, 1941. They were handed over to an experimental squadron, the Kawasemi Butai, for service trials. The unit was sent to China for combat trials, and in May 1942 was renamed 47th Dokuritsu Dai Chijugo Chutai. In September of 1942, all tests were completed and the type was accepted for service with the JAAF.


Spritle; the Ki-100 had the about same power as the Ki-44-II, but it weighed about 1600lbs more. I really don't see it performing any better than the Shoki... the Ki-100 is 16mph slower and takes an extra 1.72 minutes to reach 5000m, afaik.

The Ki-84 is better, when the engine works.  

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2000, 01:11:00 PM »
First off the Ki-44-Ia that saw service in 1941 was vastly different than the -IIb.  Probably because it had almost 200 HP more than the -Ia.  Again only 9 of the first 10 aircraft were avialable for the evaluation Chutai.  And they were sent to China in May 1942.  

The pre-production aircraft was 7 along with 3 prototypes.  So 9 aircraft were evaluated in China.

Of the 1225 Ki-44s built 1167 were built between Nov. 1942 and Dec. 1944.  That means approximately 100 units had been produced before 1943.  I would hardly call that early war.

Here is a direct quote from the book "Shoki was disliked by Service pilots because of its high landing speed and comparitive lack of manoeuvrability."

Have you seen the wings on the Shoki?  I doubt the plane could get out of its own way.

Another quote out of the book "The Ki-44 was restricted against snap rolls, spins, stalls and inverted flight at high speeds, and pilot protection and self-sealing fuel tanks were found ineffective against the standard Allied 0.5 in machine-guns."

At least the Ki-84 could turn, and had effective armor and self sealing tanks.  Yes towards the end of the war the engines became unreliable as did almost everything in Japan at that time.  I don't think that engine reliability is modeled however.  Also the Ki-84 enjoyed a 16mph advantage over the Shoki.

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2000, 02:31:00 PM »
 Ki-44 had some really nice schemes  

 http://www.aeromaster.com/jpg48/ad48170a.jpg

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2000, 03:02:00 PM »
And 40mm cannons!