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Offline Sokolov

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« on: October 14, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »
PLEASE ADD SOME RUSSIAN TANKS LIKE the T-34/76 or the T-34/85....
Would be nice to see the IS-2 in AH too....

Please think about this !

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Offline JoeDirt

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2001, 10:10:00 PM »
or a tank that kills an m16 in 1 shot? or 2?
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2001, 10:19:00 PM »
in fact all we need to AH is more and realistic vehicles and AH would (and it already has in the fighter department) blow WWIIOL out of the water.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2001, 03:27:00 AM »
Realistic vehicle and more cover to them would be nice but if it drops framerates then forget it  :)
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2001, 03:57:00 AM »
Great idea Staga but I hope that HTC will fix the whole damage model *before* it. We can have T34, Panthers, Fireflyes and so on but they will be only nice artworks till then.

[Rant]IMHO, only real tank hunters should be able to kill/detrack heavy tanks. Or fighters with bombs. Nothing else. We now have the IL-2 and the Hurricane IID. Add the late Stuka and/or the HS-129 we'll have the whole tank killers planeset. Everything else is pure fantasy.[/Rant]  ;)
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2001, 04:22:00 AM »
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Originally posted by gatt:
Everything else is pure fantasy

Yeah...
Typhoon where just used to brass fresh air  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2001, 04:43:00 AM »
Hi Straffo,

allied reports about attacks against heavy tanks (in Normandy) by rocket armed Typhoons showed that they were pretty useless. The rockets hit-ratio made them almost useless. I'll try to find something official about it ...

However, they did well against trucks, cars, armoured cars and trains with their 4x20mm, but not againts heavy tanks. Bombs armed fighters did well. Even Hurricanes IID performed badly against Pzr MkIV in North Africa. 4x20mm in real life could not knock out heavy tanks. AFAIK scared german crews often abandoned the tanks thinking they were going to be attacked by bomb armed planes.

From a gameplay point of view, whats the deal to have slow-vulnerable, heavily armed real tank hunters if even a couple of Hispanos could stop a tank? And who will take a tank if even a light P-47 or M16 will be able to stop/detrack them?

Anyway, this is an old debate     ;)

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
I agree with the Uber hispano vs pzr ...
Personally I rarely use my hispanos vs pzr I prefer using bombs || rockets it's my realism touch  ;)
I fact I love transforming pzr in "Heat and light"  :D and using bombs is a good way ...
 
 

Hey HTC what about keeping some wreck on the terrain ? (just for decoration purpose  :D)
 
About Normandie ... well I'm pretty sure that the German at Falaise would have laughed at Piper Cub + peashooter but unfortunatly for them the allied decided to use tyffies  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2001, 08:07:00 AM »
Nice paint Straffo  :) Anyway, Tiffie crews had to be retrained to use rockets better, even tho they still preferred dive bombing.

During the first 30 days over Normandy they averaged about 300 rockets launched per tank confirmed destroyed (124th Wing report).

They were fighter pilots and after the bomb drop they prefered to have the wings clean, not with ugly rocket rails  :)

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »
right ...
For the same reason I prefer using bombs  :)
Btw if you have 300 time more rockets than the enemy as tank you win  :D   ;) (*)
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(*) I know I'm twisted and insane  :)
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2001, 12:14:00 AM »
A Yak 9-T (T meant Tank Killer) could concievably kill a tank with a single well placed round (that info from a world war II aircraft history book) I took a yak 9t up the other day and put about 12 rounds into the tank before it finally blew up. I don't think they were extremely well placed, but I don't understand how he was still pinging me on the 8th or 9th cannon rounds I put through him. A little more realism on the fatality of this monster gun would be appreciated! Thanks!

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Offline zapkin

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2001, 12:56:00 AM »
the t-34 would be more than a match for the current panzer iv...we would need a panther just to balance it out !!!!   :p
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2001, 02:19:00 AM »
Not even a T34/85 would really outmatch the PzIVH. The 75mm gun of the Panzer IVH, the  KwK40 L48 is actually slightly superior to the T34/85s Zis S53 85mmm gun. For example using special high velocity AP ammo at 500meters the German gun penetates  143mm while the soviet gun does 138mm.

Speaking of 76mm T34s. The German 75mm Kwk40 L48 of the Panzer IVH is a vastly superior gun to the Soviet F34 76mm milimeter. For example both guns using special high velocity AP shells at 1000meters the German gun penetrates 97mm of armor while the Soviet weapon only 51mm.  And thats goes without even considering the vast qualitative inferiority of wartime Soviet optics. Which were truly awful and far below any western standard and not even in the same category of the world best German optics.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2001, 03:37:00 AM »
Actual optics wont allow Panzer gunners to do their job. In the real life Panther and late MkIV gunners, with their super 75mm cannon, could engage easily at 1-1,5Km and destroy both T34 and Shermans. At that distance they were almost invulnerable to allied and russian guns.

Provided that fighter bombers didnt buzz over their heads  :)
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2001, 05:44:00 AM »
Now here is something for ya  :D
"Continuing past Vienne, and on the open road, I spotted a Tiger tank going as hard as it could towards Lyons. More in hope than anger, I gave it all my remaining ammunition. To my utter amazement it belched smoke and caught fire. When I gave  my report to Tim Lucas, the senior army Liaison Officer, he did not believe me, shaking his head and muttering that a Tiger was too tough for the shells of a Spitfire. I got my own back when I took him to the spot in my jeep, after we got to Lyons on 7 September, and showed him the tank. It was there, and I am pleased to say, burnt out, with "Bravo RAF" painted on its blackened hull. To me the sight was worth a couple of Me 109's.
Apparently some armour-piercing incendiary shells had ricocheted off the tarmac road inro the oil tank and engine - pure luck, but very satisfying"
G.Capt. Duncan Smith, DSO, DFC
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