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Offline MutleyBR

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Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« on: March 18, 2010, 02:58:30 AM »
Hi all!

Before new patches, in WW2 planes, when I had part of a wing missing, I was able to RTB, with difficulty, using manual trim  and flying the planes as well as I could.

Now itīs nearly impossible to control them with part of wing missing, using the above.

Once planes lose part of a wing, after the patches, they become too much unstable, to a point that no trim can help.

Was this done on purpose or is it a glitch?

Next time it happens will make a movie and post.

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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 08:57:20 AM »
Sounds to me like they fixed the FM.  I've noticed some small differences in the way some planes handle now compared to before.  It should be really difficult to fly with "part" of any major structure of a plane missing, wouldn't you say?
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 10:50:59 AM »
Please re-read what I said.

I said "...I was able to RTB, with difficulty, using manual trim  and flying the planes as well as I could..."

Now the planes are too much unstable with part of wing missing.

This is not be the case in real life. If it were so, many wouldnīt have made it home.

Please check this picture of a P-47, used by Brazilian Air Force, In WW2 in Italy. Plane hit a factory chimney doing ground attack, lost part of wing and RTB.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/damopabe/2772784512/

That is why am asking if this was done on purpose.

Mutley  :salute



 
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 11:53:07 AM by MutleyBR »
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 03:45:29 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 03:52:09 PM by Shamus »
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 04:02:23 PM »
but notice in the picture he still has his ailerons. your trim tabs are on your ailerons, elevators, and rudder. without a aileron there is no trim tab; which would keep you from flying.
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 07:34:10 PM »
Quote from: BowHTR on March 18, 2010, 04:02:23 PM
but notice in the picture he still has his ailerons. your trim tabs are on your ailerons, elevators, and rudder. without a aileron there is no trim tab; which would keep you from flying.

And who said loss of aileron???

I said "part of a wing missing"...



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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 11:32:17 AM »
But in the game, the "part" of the wing that is "missing" is the wingtip, right?  The aileron is on the wingtip?  Can you actually lose part of your wing and not lose the aileron (and thus the trim tab on it)?
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2010, 11:34:01 AM »
thats what i was tryin to say
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2010, 01:41:08 PM »
We don't have the P-47A6...and did you lose just 50 inches off the tip of the wing on the P-47 you were flying or was it 1/2 of the wing?

Regardless of the fact that the pilot in that picture returned "safely", I'm willing to bet your paycheck it wasn't "easy" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2010, 07:09:46 PM »
I think what he's asking is simply did they change the handling of the planes with damage? If so was it recorded in the release notes?
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 11:58:32 PM »
Quote from: Hamltnblue on March 19, 2010, 07:09:46 PM
I think what he's asking is simply did they change the handling of the planes with damage? If so was it recorded in the release notes?
From what I've experienced...looks like they changed a lot with the handling of damaged planes...of course at this stage there are probably still some tweaks needed but the new damage model is tougher to deal with.
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2010, 12:29:16 AM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on March 19, 2010, 01:41:08 PM
We don't have the P-47A6...and did you lose just 50 inches off the tip of the wing on the P-47 you were flying or was it 1/2 of the wing?

Regardless of the fact that the pilot in that picture returned "safely", I'm willing to bet your paycheck it wasn't "easy" by any stretch of the imagination.

Why do I have to keep asking people to re-read the post??? :rolleyes:

I did not employ the word "easy"... Where did you get that???  :rolleyes:

I said "with difficulty". My home language is not English, but I believe that "difficult" is the opposite of easy. Or am I wrong?

And yes, we have P-47, with Brazilian markings in AH...

Please read carefully, before answering... :aok

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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2010, 09:53:43 AM »
Quote from: MutleyBR on March 20, 2010, 12:29:16 AM
And yes, we have P-47, with Brazilian markings in AH...
Still not a P-47A6...  :D

Ok so "not easy"...what you might want to do next time it happens is look at how much of the wing is missing...I don't know if each plane is different but, I don't recall seeing a wing tip getting shot off on anything I've used in game...it's pretty much 50% or 100%...and with the new damage model, control is going to be very difficult when parts start getting shot off...hopefully we wont see any more Spit16s or Temps fighting with 1/2 a wing.
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2010, 10:20:55 AM »
Didn't see anything about the new damage model being implemented in WW2 in the release notes.
Don't know if the instability of the WW2 planes damaged has been tweaked. I didn't see anything in the release notes about that either. So it could be an issue or not. Until someone from HTC says one way or another I guess we wont really know.
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Re: Too much instablity in WW2 planes w/ part of wing missing after patches.
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2010, 10:21:38 AM »
38s loose a wing tip often... well mine do, and it is very hard to see the difference, but you certainly can feel it. Murdr had a picture post once and you could see it, but only because they were side by side.

As for the OP I think the only "damage" change they made in WWII is Horizontal stabilizers can now be destroyed independently of each other. I don't often get the chance to limp home in a damaged plane. If I took that kind of damage the other 7 bad guys are certainly going to finish me off before long  :D
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