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Offline Animal

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« on: February 18, 2001, 03:54:00 PM »
Ok, so last week I was thinking to myself why all the LW whinning.
I tried the 109g6 out in the TA against an experienced player (RWY) and kept up with his P-51, he killed me most times but I still gave him a hard time.
I liked the plane so I kept learning its quirks, low 30mm velocity, and all that.

Well after some time I OWNED the TA with that plane wich I believe is MUCH better than the F4U-C and is about as good as the NIKI. The 30mm may only have 60 rounds on the MA but how much cannon do you need to down a plane? a good shot can get in range and put a SINGLE or two 30's on a target to bring it down. Its like flying an Osty, as Creamo remarked.

I then said "ok, so these guys must be all newbies" but no, most of them were actually good. I then tried the G10 and AGAIN I owned the arena.
Whats the deal?
I always thought the 109 was the most porked plane in the arena from reading your crying and whinning. I then check my stats and find out I get killed more by 109 and 190 than by CHOGS, and from memory, I get killed more by 109 than niki (for those who check my stats Ive been killed by niki so many times because I keep trying to take off from a capped field)

109 may not be super uber, but its not whinning material. You guys are blaming the planes other people fly for your deaths, when you should probably be blaming mistakes you made in a fight.

BUT, the 109 is one ugly plane, and I have no intentions of flying that piece of crap. I will go back to my P-38 wich I find much more of a challenge, and go happily LOOKING OUT for CHOGS to kill. Because you know what? THEY ARE EASY KILLS.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2001, 04:11:00 PM »
A-freaking-men.  Preach on!!

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2001, 04:13:00 PM »
Yep.  G-10 is a monster.  Should be perked along with P-51D and F4U-1C and any other late war wonders.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2001, 04:18:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Animal:
Well after some time I OWNED the TA with that plane wich I believe is MUCH better than the F4U-C and is about as good as the NIKI.

Good troll, Animal   a 109G6 as good as a N1K2 and Chog   Funny as hell  

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2001, 04:18:00 PM »
Animal in the TA the 109 has 600 rounds of 30mm making shooting and hitting with the 108 wayyy easier, Ive done this in TA too where I had everyone more or less hunting me dow cuz I was terroizing the TA in the G10. Thry this same thing with only 60 bullets and an MA environment full of hard turning nikis, spits and chogs. its not the same with 10X less ammo.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2001, 04:36:00 PM »
I realized the ammo issue so I decided to only kill my targets with only one or two 30mm

I killed around 9 guys each with only one or two 30mm rounds. You can kill around 10 people with the 30mm cannon in the MA if you have the skill to do so.

RAM - I can sometimes understand people whinning about the niki, it is a good plane (not invincible tho) but the CHOG? hahaha damn you must be doing something AWFULLY wrong because it is a very very mediocre plane at best. I SEEK OUT CHOGS IN THE MAIN ARENA.

The only hawgs I fear are those flown by KBMAN and TORQUE.. and TORQUE DOESNT FLY ANYMORE.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2001, 04:46:00 PM »
109 is a somewhat hard plane to fly due to its Torque..something the F4U SHOULD be like.

I like it, its a good fighter, but not Uber. The G10 can become a helicopter on the vertical when WEP is on, but hey, that makes them sitting ducks too  

P-38 RULES YOU ALL. ! !      

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2001, 05:15:00 PM »
TORQUE? lol.

Nothing you cant handle in AH. In fact, you trim the plane well, and you cant even feel the torque.

LOL I bet most of these LW pilots if they switch to the F4U they wouldnt even get many kills.

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »
Animal every time I fly chog or niki I get a bunch of kills, just yesterday I shamed myself into a quick 7 kill chog sortie. Few weeks ago I had 11 kill niki sortie vs a bunch of people trying to capture my base, and who were vulching at will as ack was dead. There is no way you can make a comparison between 109 ease of killing and that of chog or niki. The 109 locks up immedatly in dive, it cant roll well at most any speed, chog outurns it at most speeds and at all speeds if chog has any E, the niki always outurns 109. The niki and chog each have 900rds of ammo which kills out to 600-900yds, 400yds 6oc shot is an extreme long range shot in 30mm.  Animal you are one of the better pilots here, and good E-fighter types can do well in 109. Most cant thats why there are  few 109s in MA compared to chog and niki. Average people vote with the planes they fly and damn near half choose chogs or nikis, not 109.

Now I fly the 109 a lot, so it obviously has good points that I find attracive. Its fast and accels well, it has good climb rate, and I do like the 30mm. But those are much much more difficult to use than nikis stupid FM and chogs heavy guns and questionable FM.

On the point of the MK108 30mm cannon, yes its very "efficient" as Hartmann once said, however it has serious limitations, it has terrible velocity-so no miracle 400 yard niki/chog snapshots. It has terrible ROF compared to others. Plus 60 rds dont last that long in MA.
If the 30 is so uber, may I suggest a trade. Any chog/niki pilot who thinks 30mm is uber and unfair, GRUNHERZ would be more than willing to swap armament. You guys get awesome lo-velocity 30mm cannon with 60rds and a veritable death array of 2 MG131, and I get your 4 20mm cannon.

Sorry bout some of the sarcasm, but comparing 109 to niki/chog cannot go unchallenged, it simply doesnt make sense.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2001, 05:48:00 PM »
Well the TA is a much easier enviroment than the MA, I gotta give you that..

Alright this is what I'm gonna do. Next tour I will try to fly the 109 as much as the P38 and see the results. Anyways I need the perk points, last tours have been a joke for me since I almost never fly seriously (rolling from capped fields, flying thru CV acks, etc)

I need a challenge anyways so next tour I'll be a semi-luftobble.

[This message has been edited by Animal (edited 02-18-2001).]

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2001, 05:53:00 PM »
I only used 2 of the 800 rounds of 30mm in the TA..
we believe ya ...
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2001, 05:57:00 PM »
i have never whined about the 109 or the 190-a5

the 190-a8, OTOH, is pretty porked IMO

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2001, 06:02:00 PM »
why would I need to use more than 2 30mm rounds on a plane at 100 yards or less.


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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2001, 06:06:00 PM »
Isn't the 190A8 designed for bomber hunting, and has WORSE performance than the A5?  It has a slight better engine, but added armor plating and such bring its flight characteristics down a bit below an A5.

Everyone in WarBirds used to fly the A4 in preference to the A8.

Anybody done imperical testing of our game's two Focke-Wulfs?

Hans.

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2001, 06:09:00 PM »
yeah why would you want to go around furballing in a plane thats a brick.
Its a buffhunter and ground attack.
sadly, it sucks for ground attack, but we will get the F8 for that.