Aiming with the Dora

[MANDOBLE]

First method step by step:
1 - Forget everithing you've learned.
2 - Fly in a general direction towards the enemy.
3 - Forget the gunsight, even delete it.
4 - Keep your mind wide open.
5 - Start to sing a gregorian chant.
6 - Close your eyes.
7 - Use the force.
8 - When you spiritually feel the enemy is in the path of your guns, press fire.
9 - Open your eyes and check the effects.

Second method:
First method step by step:
1 - Forget everything you've learned.
2 - Fly in a general direction towards the enemy.
3 - Use a gunsight with a very big dot in the center (1 inch).
4 - Keep your mind wide byased.
5 - Start to sing a gregorian chant.
6 - Keep your eyes wide open.
7 - Use the brute force.
8 - Ram the enemy with the propeller.

If any of you know another way to score hits with that plane, please, post it here.

[StSanta]

I concur. i can score hits with F8, A8, A5, but not with D9.

I have film of me being d300 on an enemy, firing all i got, target centered in sight, and scoring NO hits, til i start moving sight  above and below the target. Sporadic hits. Convergence at 325.

I thought it was just me - even changed gunsights three times to see if that was it.

But there definitely is something that separates the D9 from other 190s with regards to shooting d300 a target's 6.

On a side note; anyone noticed that mausers and 13mm's require substantially more lead now? I have to lead at d200 as much as I used to do at d325. Am slowly getting used to it, but this extra lead makes snapshots very difficult indeed.

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"You filthy piece of distended rectum! DIE allierte schweinhund!"

[Wilbus]

I seam to be the only one that hasn't noticed any difference between the Dora and the other 190's when it comes to gunnery, weird.

 




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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 Eismeer

[Vermillion]

Its a conspiracy I tell you!!! A conspiracy!!

*reality mode on*

No Wilbuz its not just you. I can't tell a difference between any of the MG151/20 planes.

To me a Dora feels gunnerywise just like the gondola G10's I have flown since it came out.

IMO its probably a matter of the length of the Dora's nose that is causing it to "feel" different than the earlier A series 190's.

If your the type of pilot that has flown alot of different plane types the differences in "feel" would probably not be that great. But if your a "dedicated" 190 pilot who has almost all his time in 190A's, then its gonna feel VERY different because you are not going to have that vision over the nose that will allow you to pull snapshots on hard manuevering bandits that you are use too.

*reality mode off*

Its a conspiracy I tell you!!! A conspiracy!!




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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[R4M]

Verm, I've flown EXTENSIVELY all the LW planes in AH. Both 109 and 190, in all their versions. Exception made of the 190F8 (the lack of rockets make it an useless field supressor for my taste, and anyway I've not JABO-ed since I came back).

I've never had good gunnery in any of them, maybe exception made of the 109G10 with 30mm (and that because I only fired round by round at extremely high probability point blank ranges). but the dora really has got a strange feeling for me.

Go figure, I fire both MG and cannons on it, only because that way I have more chances to hit with something (in fact if I could do it I would try spitting at the enemies   )

As I said, I've never been a good shooter. But dangit, I DID hit when I had no-deflection shoots from 200 yards at a sitting and unaware P51. Now is not strange for me to miss in such situations.

And no, its not the "firing bounce" effect, and its not a gunnery change, IMO. I've tried Fw190A8 too, and my gunnery on it is OK.

Think its dora related only. Maybe the sight is not correctly calibrated?


[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 03-27-2001).]

[MANDOBLE]

Verm, I've been a dedicated 190 / 109 pilot since the first day. IMO, comparing the 109 aiming with 190 is a big mistake. Without gondolas, 109 Mg151/20 is relatively easy to aim and hit, with gondolas it much easier. In the case of 190, A8 2x20 and A5 2x20 are some tricky to aim and hit, but D9 is almost treacherous when firing.
AFAIK, from the defaul pov, there are no differences between 190A and D, so, the nose lenght isn't a issue.

[R4M]

quite frankly, and about the long nose, I've noticed almost no changes in that regard. 190A forward vision is quite limited as it is, the long nose on the D9 doesnt disturb it too much compared with the A series.



[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 03-27-2001).]

[Vermillion]

Thats my point Mandoble.

I don't find the Dora any harder than the 109. So if by your theory, the Dora has a serious problem, then I should easily notice the difference between the two.

It should be glaringly obvious.

But for me at least I see no difference.

In my Dora experience, I found it very much like I expect.  If I make a good shot, my target dies. If I try to make a snapshot at a high angle/high G, then alot of the time the target gets away.

Question. Are you guys comparing it to 2 cannon 190A's, or 4 cannon 190A's? You sure its not a matter of the difference in lethality rather in the difference in getting hits. You could easily be hitting "under the nose" and getting hits, you just are not getting the kills you expect because you have a lower (1/2) lethality than you are used too. Just pointing out a possibility, not making assumptions.


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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Kratzer]

It doesn't make any sense to me that it is harder to hit with... but it has certainly seemed that way on several occasions...

[Zigrat]

for some reason the dora is much harder to hit in, and i am not trying to make the dora better cuz i dont like hunstangs much but when flying dora i ccant hi crap. ii do much better shooting in 190 f8

[Raubvogel]

Verm, what does a long nose have to do with it? If I'm flying straight and level d300 behind a target with the crosshairs centered, it shouldnt matter how long the nose is.

[GRUNHERZ]

Cant hit crap in Dora either, tho I only few it 2 or 3 times I was very frustrated every time when I got 200-300 yds behind somebody and just plain couldn't hit. Something is odd about Dora guns. They just fall fall short too much too much drop in bullets.

[Sturm]

Stopped flying Dora when I couldn't hit someone at 300D and flying level.  SOmething isnt right about it.  I have a 1-1ratio in it and it has fallen to that now.  Can't get a kill in it to save my life.  Deflection shots are near impossible as well.  Maybe knuckles is sitting down to far in the canopy?

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[MANDOBLE]

Verm, I'm comparing it to A5/A8 2x20. Snapshots with 109 3x20 are even easier than with A8 4x20. 109 3x20 ROF seems to be more than double than any 190.

[Hajo]

I also can't for some  reason, shoot as well with the dora as the other fws'.  I've been a dedicated fw jock for as long as I've been flying on-line flight sims.  flown all the fw's in here and noticed also that my hit percentage is way down.  Had convergence on all the fw's at 300.  Had no problem at all hitting something when I had a good solution until I started using the d9.  tried various convergences' to no avail.  I checked head position on runway, set zoom, and in zoom mode watched the tracers go through the center of pipper.  can't set the guns up any better then that.  My hit percentage has decreased steeply and I have no idea why. when I change to the a8, or a5 hit percentage goes up.  splain that sportsfans???