Strange feelings with DORAs turning ability

[Naudet]

OK Verm show me how to and i will fly it right, always willing to learn.

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:

Dora pilots do not have to be "Hunstangs" or "DoRuns". They just need to learn how.

LOL!!

I look at Vermillion--And what do I see  
 
He says the same as I used to say about the Mustangs "they only run because they have no idea on how to fight".

Verm, is not the plane. It is simply that the previous versions P51 runstang dweebs now run in the D-9  

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by R4M:

Verm, is not the plane. It is simply that the previous versions P51 runstang dweebs now run in the D-9  

That's funny, I've run after and caught a lot of "dedicated" Luftwieners on the deck because they blew whatever advantage they had.    
-SW

[sling322]

 

Originally posted by StSanta:
I doubt that such a large and dedicated group of 190 drivers are merely whining here.

I dont.  



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[R4M]

 

Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
That's funny, I've run after and caught a lot of "dedicated" Luftwieners on the deck because they blew whatever advantage they had.    
-SW

  I dont say ALL the running doras are ex-runstang dweebs  .

Simply we are enjoying now our part of glory ehhehhehehehe.

(Not me, the only stupid one who will turn around to fight 2-1 odds, alone and damaged.  )

[funked]

 

In fact E-bleeding is a good thing in hi-speed turns, you know why?...
You decelerate faster,so you turn tighter. If the enemy plane is a good E-retainer, you can actually turn inside it if the speeds involved are high enough

Field Marshall von RAMstein you are getting wise in your old age.  That is a very good observation.  If both planes are above their corner speed, the one that can slow down quicker to his corner speed can get some angles.  

Of course a crafty Spitfire pilot will realize this and cut his throttle to stay on your tail.  But fortunately they aren't all wise.  

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by funked:


Of course a crafty Spitfire pilot will realize this and cut his throttle to stay on your tail.  But fortunately they aren't all wise.    

Hehe Funked...dont give the masses a good idea  .

Anyway not much people I know do chop throttle on the offensive. Why?, because those guys who know that the 190 will turn inside them at hispeeds because the E-bleeding, know too that E is life and they will do a high yoyo before chopping thottle and try to follow the turn. THat is good because wins you time  .

Of course, the Spit can chop throttle, but then the D9 better acceleration and better E bleed both will pay its dividends, levelling the E states if neccesary...or bleeding the E needed to force an overshoot. And you still are rolling and jerking around, so you wont be an easy target.

And lastly, the 190 can chop throttle too. And it will bleed E faster than the spit  . Its not a particularly good move on the defensive unless you are almost sure that you will force an overshoot with it; because it will drag ur speed under 200IAS and that is NOT good for the 190 as I've said quite many times  .

[funked]

Yes, I agree, there is a risk in chopping the throttle.  I won't do it unless I know we are alone and my E state won't matter if I can kill the guy quickly.

[StSanta]

best way of dealing with a D9 is letting him saddle up. then you fly straight and level. As he gets to within 150, guns blasing, he'll run outta ammo. he'llbe so frustrated that he'll try to ram you. use the net lag to your advantage and cause a collision on his FE only.

Enjoy the "aaaaaaaaargh d9 guns are porked" with the "no it's not" responses on ch1.

A8 I can hit with, D9 is a no go  

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[Lephturn]

No thread hijacking you loosewaffle!  This is about turning ability, not the guns.

Begone to the D9 guns thread!

(Or maybe offline to do some tests...)

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[J_A_B]

I've noticed that if the DORA does blow it, running away is often difficult, despite its high speed.  

Compared to the P-51 (either version), the 190D bleeds E badly.  Both the D-9 and the P-51 have roughly equal diving ability.  Several times, I've run down the "faster" D-9 in my P-51 because they slowed down faster after trying to dive away.  In fact, I think every kill of a D-9 I have (save 1) was in this situation.

IMO diving away is NOT a good option for a D-9 driver, at least not from P-51's.

That E-bleed is what makes the D-9 difficult to fly--it NEEDS energy to stay effective, yet it bleeds it quickly.  

J_A_B

[Vermillion]

Lephturn wrote:  

No thread hijacking you loosewaffle! This is about turning ability, not the guns.
Begone to the D9 guns thread!

(Or maybe offline to do some tests...)

Tests? *GASP* what a novel concept!!  



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