Mustang Mk I

[Soulyss]

I do find it entertaining that someone is trying to out spitfire Dan.

[uptown]

I learn alot about Spitfires when someone challenges him  The man does know his spittys

[Guppy35]

Just to kill the Spit 16 is completely different then the IX bit.

Which one is the IX and which one is the XVI?  Note the serial numbers.  They came off the production line right next to each other literally.  The color shot is a surviving Spit.  It's missing the cannon shroud so no one should get bent out of shape by the look of the cannon.  One is a 9 and one is a 16.  Purely engines being the difference.

[morfiend]

They can't do it like they did the P-47M, morfiend. The geometry on the P-47M is identical to that of the P-47D-40 whereas the Allison engined P-51A would need a fair amount of changes to the geometry of the P-51B.

  I suspected that Karnak,it was just some wishfull thinking on my part and the only way I'd support it's inclusion before the much needed planeset round out!

   

 PS: Dan would the top be the IX??

[Karnak]

According to "Spitfire: The History" the top one, TE214 is the Spitfire Mk XVI.

I had to cheat and look it up though.

[Guppy35]

TE215 was the lowback Spitfire LFIXe of S/L G.R.S. McCay of 130 Squadron after the war.  TE214 survives in a Canadian Museum and is a Spitfire LFXVIe

[B3YT]

thanks guppy . So how come there  is a 500lb weight difference in my reference book  between the all up weight of the spit IX LFe and the XVI LFe?  

[Karnak]

Which book is it?

[Guppy35]

thanks guppy . So how come there  is a 500lb weight difference in my reference book  between the all up weight of the spit IX LFe and the XVI LFe?  

Karnak's question is a good one.  Which reference are you using?  Spit the History has 9500 for both as the overload weight, as does Bruce Robertson's "Spitfire-The Story of a Famous Fighter" and Phillip Moye's "Profile-Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX" which also includes data on the XVI as they were the same airframe.

All three have different normal take off loads for the IX and XVI varrying from 7500 to 8200 for both.  Again the key is all three are clear that the XVI designation was purely to differentiate between the English and American built Merlins that went into the Spit IX airframe.

[seano]

read about the ground attackmustangs in a book on the 31st fighter group. used in italy in "43". so they saw action in the mid war.

[phatzo]

All three have different normal take off loads for the IX and XVI varrying from 7500 to 8200 for both. .

this would suggest an identical dry weight but a different wet weight which would make them different.

[Guppy35]

this would suggest an identical dry weight but a different wet weight which would make them different.

<Smacks Phatzo with a Beaufighter wingtip>

Actually it suggests that it depends on what source you read

No arguing the XVI was a Mk IX airframe with an American made Merlin

[Karnak]

this would suggest an identical dry weight but a different wet weight which would make them different.

He means the each book gives a different set of weights, but each book has the LF.Mk IXe and the Mk XVI as identical.  The books just don't agree with each other as to what the weight is, but they don't have different numbers within the same book for the LF.Mk IXe and Mk XVI.

[B3YT]

it's spitfire flying legend .

it quotes the weight for 1944 spit IX LFe as 500lb less .

just thinking would that be with the original 50 rounds of .50 cal not the updated 500 rounds from the MK IXLFe that had the same load out as the XVI?

so in reality they should be the same?

[Vudu15]

LOL how did we get from a conversation about an A36 Apache to a talk between Spit 9s and 16s..... anyhow I dont really care either way Id fly it if it was placed in the game with any thing else they would like to add.