WWI Engine Governor

[Wmaker]

Hmm...okay, that is correct. Here is what the information page says.

"This will limit your engine to its nominal rating and prevent you from overspeeding it in most conditions. The advantage to not using the governor is that you can run your RPM higher than the governor giving you more power in high rpm situations. The governor is defaulted to on."

This is not sufficient disadvantage to using it, IMO, considering the benefit in workload, dive speeds fast enough to overspeed the engine are for the most part bad news in WWI planes anyway.

I couldn't really disagree more. To me, the difference is like night and day already. Anyone using the governor is putting himself to significant disadvantage.

For example, AH's D.VII seems to be modelled after Daimler D.III engine which develops 160hp at 1400rpm. At its maximum allowable rpm of 1600 it puts out roughly 180hp.

Having the governor off makes a world of difference in conserving energy through high speed maneuvers.

[Biggles]

Having the ability to stall when you want to can be a good thing depending on the situation.

As for the governor, sometimes I turn Linda Lingle on, sometimes I turn her off.

[DrBone1]

I couldn't really disagree more. To me, the difference is like night and day already. Anyone using the governor is putting himself to significant disadvantage.

For example, AH's D.VII seems to be modelled after Daimler D.III engine which develops 160hp at 1400rpm. At its maximum allowable rpm of 1600 it puts out roughly 180hp.

Having the governor off makes a world of difference in conserving energy through high speed maneuvers.

This is very true btw maker i still want that rematch    Wmaker

[BnZs]

I couldn't really disagree more. To me, the difference is like night and day already. Anyone using the governor is putting himself to significant disadvantage.

For example, AH's D.VII seems to be modelled after Daimler D.III engine which develops 160hp at 1400rpm. At its maximum allowable rpm of 1600 it puts out roughly 180hp.

Having the governor off makes a world of difference in conserving energy through high speed maneuvers.

There is notable space between the Daimler's redline rpm and the rpm where it begins knocking though, so I imagine with the D7 the governor would make a large difference. This is not the case with the two rotaries.

[Wmaker]

There is notable space between the Daimler's redline rpm and the rpm where it begins knocking though, so I imagine with the D7 the governor would make a large difference. This is not the case with the two rotaries.

Yep, the difference is smaller with the rotaries. The only plane I've flown a lot is the D.VII. I did a quick test offline when the WWI came and wasn't able to break Camel's engine by over revving it until I ran out of altitude. Didn't have the patience to climb higher for a new try in blowing it up. I'm sure that the over revving is easier to manage in D.VII compared to the rotary engined fighters but I think it's still much more beneficial to have the governor off even in them.

[Wmaker]

i still want that rematch    Wmaker

<S> Drbone!

Yeh, we have to do that sometime!

[BaldEagl]

Yep, the difference is smaller with the rotaries. The only plane I've flown a lot is the D.VII. I did a quick test offline when the WWI came and wasn't able to break Camel's engine by over revving it until I ran out of altitude. Didn't have the patience to climb higher for a new try in blowing it up. I'm sure that the over revving is easier to manage in D.VII compared to the rotary engined fighters but I think it's still much more beneficial to have the governor off even in them.

I've mostly flown the Camel and it seems to me if you get the engine knocking for an extended period you'll lose significant power afterward.

[BnZs]

I've mostly flown the Camel and it seems to me if you get the engine knocking for an extended period you'll lose significant power afterward.

Hmmm...Hitech, is this true? I was thinking as long as the engine did not blow and quit there was no damage.

[hitech]

Hmmm...Hitech, is this true? I was thinking as long as the engine did not blow and quit there was no damage.

BNZ you are correct, no damage if it does not blow.

HiTech

[321BAR]

Yep, the difference is smaller with the rotaries. The only plane I've flown a lot is the D.VII. I did a quick test offline when the WWI came and wasn't able to break Camel's engine by over revving it until I ran out of altitude. Didn't have the patience to climb higher for a new try in blowing it up. I'm sure that the over revving is easier to manage in D.VII compared to the rotary engined fighters but I think it's still much more beneficial to have the governor off even in them.

the DVII gets alot of extra power in the redzone with governor off before it will start overrevving. ive used this to my advantage quite a few times...

[seano]

govenor off= more diving speed

[Agent360]

From the original release notes on WW1
"The advantage to not using the governor is that you can run your RPM higher than the governor giving you more power in high rpm situations"

This is somewhat decieving in that it is NOT always a good thing to have more power in high rpm situations.

In close turn fights it has always been the one who manages both slow and fast energy states that wins.

The problem is that ww1 planes have no sustained climb and very limited zoom climb. Further, because of the fixed prop you end up having the heavily manage the engine throttle in dives.

A side effect of all this is that a player who has to continually reduce throttle to manage rpm's will end up LOOSING energy overall.

My point is that the human player can not effectivly manage the power better than the governer can. Although, with it off you have the potential to get more power, if you reduce your throttle continually...effectivly flying to keep your engine from blowing up you will end up LOOSING your zoom climb and cause unwanted yaw when you do.

With the governer on you can devote all your time to making angles. The engine never blows up, your speed and energy remain contant and you have less cockpit managment to deal with.

If you start yanking the throttle off and on you will loose energy because in ww1 planes the energy state is extremly important and each time you do reduce throttle and the other guy does not he will keep his energy more effeciently than one with governer off and yanking the throttle all the time.

Im my opinion it is nearly impossible for a humane player to feather the throttle in such a way as to take advantage of what the plane can do with the governer off.

[ImADot]

So I'm not capable of moving my throttle in small increments to keep from over-revving?  I don't know about anyone else, but MY airplane has more throttle settings than fully closed or fully open.  It's not hard or an encumberence to manage the little bit of throttle needed.

[BnZs]

Hmmm...worried that this might be the case.

From the original release notes on WW1
"The advantage to not using the governor is that you can run your RPM higher than the governor giving you more power in high rpm situations"

This is somewhat decieving in that it is NOT always a good thing to have more power in high rpm situations.

In close turn fights it has always been the one who manages both slow and fast energy states that wins.

The problem is that ww1 planes have no sustained climb and very limited zoom climb. Further, because of the fixed prop you end up having the heavily manage the engine throttle in dives.

A side effect of all this is that a player who has to continually reduce throttle to manage rpm's will end up LOOSING energy overall.

My point is that the human player can not effectivly manage the power better than the governer can. Although, with it off you have the potential to get more power, if you reduce your throttle continually...effectivly flying to keep your engine from blowing up you will end up LOOSING your zoom climb and cause unwanted yaw when you do.

With the governer on you can devote all your time to making angles. The engine never blows up, your speed and energy remain contant and you have less cockpit managment to deal with.

If you start yanking the throttle off and on you will loose energy because in ww1 planes the energy state is extremly important and each time you do reduce throttle and the other guy does not he will keep his energy more effeciently than one with governer off and yanking the throttle all the time.

Im my opinion it is nearly impossible for a humane player to feather the throttle in such a way as to take advantage of what the plane can do with the governer off.

[Agent360]

So I'm not capable of moving my throttle in small increments to keep from over-revving?  I don't know about anyone else, but MY airplane has more throttle settings than fully closed or fully open.  It's not hard or an encumberence to manage the little bit of throttle needed.

I am pointing out that the stated "advantage" that the governer off gives you is so slim that the human can't TAKE ADVANTAGE of it. The human ends up loosing energy over all compared to letting the COMPUTER (ie governer) control the  engine.

I did not say that a "human" can't manage the throttle. I did say that the human cant do it as effectivly as the governer.