Author Topic: Pyro,Why no German 2000lb(or bigger) bombs? (Read 676 times)

brady · « **on:** October 21, 2001, 06:30:00 PM »

The JU 88 and the AR 234 were capable of (and did use operationaly) Bombs bigger than the current 500KG option we have. If allied Buff's get to use their "Big Ones" why can't the Germans use this option?

Spreng Cylindrisch (sc) or general purpose bomb:

SC 1000 (2,205lb): Used both on the JU 88 and AR 234(Centerline on the are 234 with 2 250kg bombs on the engine, or on the inner rack's on the JU 88 A-4, In fact the JU 88 could cary 2 1000kg bombs as well as 2 500kg bombs on the outer racks at the same time.)

PC 1400: A bunker buster,and anti ship bomb,a whopping 3,086lb's this could be carried on the centerline mount on the AR 234.

The SC 1000 would be a great addation adding more flexabality to bombing sorties for German buff's, the same kind that the Allies enjoy curentaly.

The PC 1,400 would be fun to use for Certain mishions, slung under the belly of the AR 234 it would make a nice clean "Big Punch" package.

Sources for this data:

Wings of the Luftwaffe by Capt. Erich Brown

TM 9-1985-2

to name but 2...

Wotan · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2001, 06:40:00 PM »

I agree Brady before we get a he177 as some have called for can we atleast expand the ord options for the planes we currently have.

That goes for all planes.

I understand HTC models to fill a need that is missing. I dont see it as a major need especially if it would interfere with the developement of a needed plane plane type.

However I would very much like to have ord loadouts match as close to rl as possible.

Tac · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »

Hmmm..yes... the 2X2k bomb option for the P-38 would hit the spot

Fishu · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2001, 09:04:00 PM »

I thought 1000kg bombs took too much space to fit bombs in outer racks of Ju88?

Glasses · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2001, 09:08:00 PM »

heck I'd like 1,500KG load for the late war 190s

[ 10-21-2001: Message edited by: Glasses ]

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2001, 10:06:00 PM »

I beleave the 1000KG bombs went on the JU 88's inner racks only, and the 500kg bombs went on the outer rack's.

I was looking over some of my books on the P 38 and discovered(unless my sources are in eror), that the p 38 model capable of carying the 2 2k bombs did not see combat, howeaver my sorces repeatedly stated that it could carry 2 1,600lb bombs for a total bomb load of 3200lb's.
Now that being said I looked further(not having heard of a 1,600 lb US bomb before), for data on the 1,600 lb bomb, could not find it anywhear, so I concluded that, that weight was for bombs and rockets (this being the total amount of external load it was capable of schleping.)

So unless sombody can prove( I hope so) other wise I think that the curent bomb configuration for the P 38 is correct.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2001, 11:22:00 PM »

Heya,

How about the 4,000 Pound bomb load for the F4U? It flew many missions with a load of a center line 2K bomb and two 1K bombs.

Also they used two Tiny Tim 11.75 inch Rockets. Essentially a rocket powered 1K eggs.

In Korea the AU-1(F4U-6) flew with up to 6,000lbs of bombs off of a carrier deck. Not bad huh?

2 Tiny Tims

HoHun · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2001, 01:41:00 AM »

Hi Brady,

the Junkers Ju 88A-4 actually was capable of carrying an SC 1800 bomb on each wing's inboard bomb rack (Bukowski/Griehl, "Junkersflugzeuge 1939 - 1945", ISBN 3-86070-867-8).

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2001, 07:39:00 PM »

Outstanding!

Runs to book room to double check!

The reasion I focused on the SC 1000, was that If moddeled Pyro could kill two birds with one stone he could use it on the JU 88 and the AR 234, as far as I know other than what we curentaly have, the only ordance that both could use that is not moddeled(bomb wise) are some cluster bomb types. Also SC is the general pourpous bomb as stated, their were other types of course in the same weight range.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2001, 09:04:00 PM »

don't forget the napalm!

and the cluster bombs!

I would love to see these types of ordinance modelled (especially napalm!!)

-tronski- · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2001, 03:31:00 AM »

IMHO upping the Arado's bomb load might make it's perk value more worthy (now that the 262 can easily counter the Ar234).

I do think with the 262, it should allow the Blitz to finally gain it's defensive armament.

Tronsky

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2001, 08:42:00 PM »

I remember, a post that Pyro( I think it was Pyro) replyed to about the MG 151/20 being absent on the AR 234. The reply stated that they had intended to add it but they had problems geting the sight to work and droped it before it's release.if you look at the outside of the AR 234 you can see the the gun openings on the back of it.hey whear is that drag chute?, that would come in handy too

HoHun · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2001, 07:09:00 PM »

Hi Brady,

From my earlier post:

>the Junkers Ju 88A-4 actually was capable of carrying an SC 1800 bomb on each wing's inboard bomb rack
>(Bukowski/Griehl, "Junkersflugzeuge 1939 - 1945", ISBN 3-86070-867-8).

Here are the scans:

Page 1

Page 2

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: HoHun ]

brady · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »

COOL Scans

SKurj · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2001, 08:40:00 AM »

In ADDITION!!

Not sure if it was the G55 or 2005 was capable of carrying a 2000lb+ bomb on centreline
AND at Pearl Harbor the japanese used 1800kg(or was it lbs?) modified AP shells.

SKurj