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Offline oTRALFZo

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #105 on: April 03, 2010, 10:18:20 AM »


Never said it did. What it does prove is that your claim that people only play to take bases because they have no chance of getting kills or having any success in fighters is nonsense.


It is nonsense, but fact is you post on the mission board for a NOE attack, your chances of getting some reputable sticks are slim to none.

The dynamics that go into playing the base taking game makes it so that you need to play that "gamey" sort of game or you chances are, your objective will be lost. This means, deacking, vulching, HOing that guy that is trying to shoot your troops, taking down hangers, camping hangars with GVs, trying hard to sneak bases as soon as possible as not to get any opposition..etc, etc etc. ALL of which I can just promise you would even PIZZ off even the most die hard base taking player in the game if the situation was turned around and done to them. So ask, when was the last time you seen the uberest mission planner become even remotley respected by anyone besides themselves or their herd of wildabeasts that follows them?

The dynamics that go into furballing or even playing this game b/c you like killing things are totally different.  Most that play this style knows that putting yourself in bad situations and coming out victorious will earn you respect. Most that play in this category could care less if they had 50 bases or 2, so long as theres some targets somewhere. You play this game long enough and you will come to the realization that map winning is futile. Not everyone cares nor has the time to dedicate to WIN DA WER.

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #106 on: April 03, 2010, 10:26:58 AM »
I've always found it interesting how the definition of fur-balling is considered.
If you are circling a field waiting for suckers to up and get to a couple thousand feet below you...that is not fur-balling..
If you are encroaching on the base that the enemies are upping from and killing the ack so you can vulch... not fur-balling
If you are meeting halfway at similar altitudes and joining in the fight...not picking off the ones going into a fight...that is fur-balling
Not many in this game understand that...
If you are vulching... I'm helping take down your base..cuz all you are  -  are dweebs..not furballers...


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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #107 on: April 03, 2010, 10:29:00 AM »
Most that play in this category could care less if they had 50 bases or 2, so long as theres some targets somewhere.

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #108 on: April 03, 2010, 10:33:58 AM »
You play this game long enough and you will come to the realization that map winning is futile.


So is killing cartoon pilots in cartoon planes.

So is whinning about other peoples gameplay on th BBS.

And yet..............
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #109 on: April 03, 2010, 11:04:23 AM »
So is killing cartoon pilots in cartoon planes.

So is whinning about other peoples gameplay on th BBS.

And yet..............
Noone is whining here. Im simply stating facts. Noone is going to change the way they play simply b/c someone else says so. I thought forums were meant to have discussions on topics and state oppinions, no?
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #110 on: April 03, 2010, 11:38:47 AM »
id gladly help take a base but dont like the new methods that most do it so i chose to furball. when did this shut down everything and leave town and ack up til last start anyways? use to be pretty standard, vh, ack, town and cap the base. u'd have a whole mission landing kills at the end. anyways i started fighting more when i realised i could get more perks in an hour of flying 205s jug25s and 38js than i would get out of hours or days trying for a reset.
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #111 on: April 03, 2010, 11:39:48 AM »
Noone is whining here. Im simply stating facts. Noone is going to change the way they play simply b/c someone else says so. I thought forums were meant to have discussions on topics and state oppinions, no?

Not saying you specifically but I disagree, there is a lot of whining going on here. As with a a lot of threads here wether they start off as such or not they end up "base takers vs. "furballers". This is a horse that has been beat to a bloody pulp and yet will not die. But like so many mothes to a flame we just keep coming.

Here is one of the truest statements in this thread;

No. Absolutely not.

Most do that because they think it helps their team. The true griefers are a minority.

But so are the "true" furballers and the "true" armchair generals ("You are waisting our resources!")
The majority of players may be leaning more to one side or the other, but most aren't "pure" in the way they are playing. But naturally they are not the most vocal players, the extremists and zealots of both ends of the spectrum are.


I also completely agree with the statement that furballers and basetakers need each other. If not why do the furballers bother with the MA? Isn't that what the DA is for?

I guess I don't fit in either category......wait I fit in both....wait I'm going to make my own category,
I'm in this category; basetaker, furballer, vulcher, picker, GV'er, defender, NOE'er, spawn camper, bomb****, and part time Hoer :D but most of all I'm in the I LOVE THIS FREAKING GAME!!! and can't think of a better way to spend 15 bucks a month. And I think this is where the majority of the AH players fall...


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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #112 on: April 03, 2010, 12:41:53 PM »
Now that might just be the biggest load of BS I've ever read here.  As I and Lusche already pointed out, they do it because they think they're helping their team.

Of course, you fly fighters or whatever you do to get attention by getting your name in lights right?

Biggest load of crap???   Ha ha ..... If you think some people don't drop fighter hangers at a field that has a good fight going.......just to effect gameplay of others .... then your sticking your head in the sand .  I fly fighters because i enjoy it .... not for "my name in lights"    If it were up to me I would do away with the kill messages.

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2010, 12:46:25 PM »
Most do drop them to help, either capture the base or help their countrymen out.

On the the other hand there are those that drop them just to pizz the furballers off. I've seen it, and know it because they brag about it after they have. Luckily it's not that often.

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2010, 12:48:13 PM »
Biggest load of crap???   Ha ha ..... If you think some people don't drop fighter hangers at a field that has a good fight going.......just to effect gameplay of others .... then your sticking your head in the sand .  I fly fighters because i enjoy it .... not for "my name in lights"    If it were up to me I would do away with the kill messages.

"just to affect gameplay of others" and "just to get attention" are quite different things.  Which is it?  I was reacting to your "attention" assertation.

Either way for the majority I don't believe it.
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2010, 01:10:35 PM »
I got scolded three times in as many weeks for not dropping the hangars.  The Generals were quick to voice their displeasure that my single engine aircraft was opting to kill wirbles and disobey direct orders to kill those mean hangars.   
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2010, 02:02:08 PM »
Furballers vs. Basetakers..whichever game you play, there are very different dynamics that play into each.

When you play to furball, you play to kill. You look for the biggest darbar out there and you plan what your attack is going to be.

When you play for the real estate game, your goal is make those fields shine in green as soon as possible with whatever it takes to do so. Here also, your plans are very easily thwarted if you get any sort of opposition from the red guys. To play the basetake game, you will loose most of the time if you go in playing fair, so you take down hangers, you HO that guy going after your goon, you de-ack the base so you can vulch. All of which is really frowned upon by EVERYONE. The real estate game is usually dominated by the new subscribers, because lets face it..they wouldn't really stand much of any chance of any sort of victory or sense of accomplishment in this game.
I think what really gets me is the guys that have been playing for years and years here that stay in the phase of "winning the war" mode. You would think the concept of a never ending war with the only perk of having 25 points in each category would bore them to death by now..but obviously it hasn't but hey...its their money.

Bottom line..furballers need base takers. Base takers need furballers. Having both play in the same area provides a healthy competitiveness that we need to keep our interests up and keep us logging in.
My only hopes is that when people play this game, that they should sometimes think if what they are doing would upset them if they were in the same situation. If so..then why are YOU doing it?


My God, you waffle more than John Kerry.   You say that both styles of play are necessary to sustain healthy play, but then turn around and insult 'land grabbers' as Noobs because VETs should be bored of that style.  By the way, I would like to see your data to support that the real estate game is dominated by new subscribers.  Had you really wanted to prove your point, you certainly could have examined at least some percentage of 'top' players and checked to see how many bases they have or have not taken.  At least then your statement could have merit.  On the other hand, your unsupported statement (which is opinion) being represented as fact, has no more merit or basis than some idiot making a blanket statement that "all illegal immigrants are stupid, alcoholics, who drive dunk." 

As to the point regarding the bombers shutting down the furball....  Again, one would have to know the 'bombers' motivation.  If it is for the sole purpose of trying to ruin others fun, you are 100% correct - it should be frowned upon and stopped.  However, as others have stated, they could see the furball, assume there is a contested battle and shut down the field to further 'their sides' cause.  (Might have done the wrong thing, but for the right reason.)  Or you might consider that the pickers in the furball were winning out and pushing the fight back to the 'bombers' bases.  Once the furball has been pushed too close to one side, that side can no longer get the altitude to mount a proper defense; the result, they get shot down again and the fight gets pushed even further toward the base.  Eventually, there exists a vulch opportunity.  Therefore, an enterprising bomber ups from a rear base and takes down the hangers at opposing field.  Thus, the fight is able to get pushed back toward the enemy field and the furball can continue back on more neutral ground.

Again, you can't make a blanket statement that all 'hanger bangers' are fun killers.  If you want to sustain your furball, then have a few guys stay high and wait for the bombers -- when they come hanger banging who will be the more surprised now (assuming 999000 is not in the gun)   :salute

Now, for the record, I am not supporting one style of play or the other.  They are all a part of the game that HTC designed.  Let people play, encourage good sportsmanship, and enjoy the game.  What I am denouncing is people who assume that furballing is the elitist skill and anyone who disagrees must be a noob because "no self-respecting vet" should be interested in base captures.  If that is your mentality, I would encourage your to bend over and kiss me right in the crack of my azz. :salute
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2010, 02:23:08 PM »
My God, you waffle more than John Kerry.   You say that both styles of play are necessary to sustain healthy play, but then turn around and insult 'land grabbers' as Noobs because VETs should be bored of that style.  By the way, I would like to see your data to support that the real estate game is dominated by new subscribers.

It's great fun busting up land grab missions, as it is the best seal clubbing the game has to offer.  Hate to say it, but I think the AI drones in offline practice are more of a threat than some of the win the war players.  At least the drones don't auger.  Personally I need the WtW gameplay because some of the best killin/fun to be had is when you can get 10-15 seals in the same area all with one thing in mind, capture teh base!

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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2010, 02:46:46 PM »
It's great fun busting up land grab missions, as it is the best seal clubbing the game has to offer.  Hate to say it, but I think the AI drones in offline practice are more of a threat than some of the win the war players.  At least the drones don't auger.  Personally I need the WtW gameplay because some of the best killin/fun to be had is when you can get 10-15 seals in the same area all with one thing in mind, capture teh base!

I agree completely, it is GREAT fun busting a mission.  And yes, they are often easy kills because they are focused on other things beside the bogey flying up their tail-pipe.   :D  But, the fact that they are heavy with bombs, or are focused on the town, does not mean they are a flying phone-number guy who is happy to be able to stay up past 8:00p.m.  Each aspect of the game is interdependent.   The fact is there are a lot of newer players who get drawn into missions (for obvious reasons previously stated).  But that does not mean they are all noobs and it does not mean they are some lesser-class of player because they don't play one way or the other.

On the other hand, grizz, as one who is known for being a good stick and proclaimed - in it for the fight type - one could argue that there is no challenge in 'clubbing baby seals' and you doing something nefarious in playing that way.  (I wouldn't make that argument, but based on the responses above, one COULD make it.)   :D
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Re: Squad & Country
« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2010, 03:32:47 PM »
On the other hand, grizz, as one who is known for being a good stick and proclaimed - in it for the fight type - one could argue that there is no challenge in 'clubbing baby seals' and you doing something nefarious in playing that way.  (I wouldn't make that argument, but based on the responses above, one COULD make it.)   :D

Well you are right, there is no challenge in clubbing a seal on the individual scale, but it's damn fun.  The challenge is clubbing as many as you can.  I'm not a furballer, I'm a horde buster baby.   :cool:
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