If they could add 1 twin engine plane what would you suggest?

[Sturm]

On the contrary the He-177 was not a waste, and actually did help the germans on the east front.  First off I would have to say putting a 75mm gun on this thing and asking guys to go out and kill tanks is nuts.  If you look at the late variants and there combat sorties, you will notice they have an attrition rate from mechanical failures = to allied bomber sorties.  I will find the source and post it with some numbers later.  

     The 177 was able ot carry a heavy load, and was mainly used at choke points, bridge heads, troop rally points, and road convoys.  Combined with above average speed for a heavy and a better climb rate along with a formidable defensive armament this was long from a failure, the 210 yes it was but then again was rectified with the 410 the 274 was in final stages but Goering did not want to know anything about a 4 engined Heinkel.  

The 274 would have been a monster, even the ME-264 was impressive to say the least, and it looked beautiful as well.  Over 1000 He-177's were made it should be included in here.    

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Wmaker]

Sturm, I'm talking about what impact these aircraft had in the war compared to the effort/time spend designing/building them. Me-410 and He-177 did very little to justify their existance and rescourses spend on them.
I'm not saying that they weren't good warplanes in the end of their development cycle but that cycle took too long and demanded too much rescourses. When the plane was ready and trouble free design Luftwaffe got too few of them too late.

1Wmaker1
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[Pepe]

Hehehe, on the twin/quad thingy we are on the fringe here  

I think most of He-177's problems were teething ones, except, perhaps, the 2x2 issue. Packing both engines toghether with the purposed objective of lowering drag figures proved faulty overall. And the Dive Bomber ability was another hard blow. Too many goals in one pack. But the style is great, and the loadout and flight figures, not that bad. And B-29's developement, for instance, was really a pain in its own.

I think the only problem, the real hard one, with He-177 was RLM in general, and Hitler in particular, lack of long term vision about the dire need of an strategic bomber. When they realised It was too late to overcome the hurdles of developing a capable long range big buff. Thank God.

I would like to have the He-177 in AH  

Cheers,

Pepe

[Dinger]

I put my vote in for the Spit F IXt: It'd be easy to develop from the existing 3D model, and truly was one of the most versatile fighters of WWII.

[Eagler]

 

something low and slow so I can kill it  

Eagler

[Replicant]

Mosquito, Beaufighter, 410 or A26 for me please  

Regards

Nexx

[Sturm]

You wonder sometimes if people actually read the subject thread.  Anyway the only real problem with the 210 was its length, and they would not lengthen it do to retooling machines and production facilities having to be changed.  Well after a horrible start, the 210 was lengthened and adjusted and the 410 was born.  Soon the only problem with the 410 from a pilots POV was being able to bail out of the craft.

one other problem was the MG 131 defensive guns, they were a bear to shoot.  As I quote you on this matter  

Me-410 and He-177 did very little to justify their existance and rescourses spend on them.

the ME-410 had so many different configurations they are too numerous to list.  From a plane that did little it was used in the Recon role, Fighter role, Fighter bomber role, Bomber hunter role, it filled every role imaginable.

Yet this is a plane that contributed very little?  The 177 did contribute less then the 410 persay, but no way should the 410 ever be spoken of as a non producer.  All AC development goes thru a trial and error period, the RLM messed up huge when they cancelled projects in 41-42 that could have had a huge impact later on in the war.

Should the 177 have ever even been made?  Probably not, they had others in the drawing boards but do to political pressure were cancelled and were far better designs.  HS-130 is one I can think of off the top of my noggen.  AR-240 would have been an awesome plane and the AR-440 even better.  Yet time has spoken and they were not made.  However, we look at it, the 410 was a success rather then a failure.    


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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Wmaker]

Sturm, to be brief...

Because of Willy Messerschmitt's stubborness and RLM's ever growing requirements in designing Me-210 caused A COMPLETE catastrophy. Because of Me-210 there was a six month period when NOT A SINGLE BF-109 rolled of the production line at Regensburg. And when 410 was fitted with DB 603 engines same problems which had been with Me-210 came back. There was NOTHING 410 could do execpt win the war by itself to make up for this. Roles it filled could have been (and were) filled by aircraft allready in production and combat proven.

1Wmaker1
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[Sturm]

So your saying the 410 was a failure?  Please elaborate more, I am all ears.  

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Wmaker]

I'm saying many things...please quote the part where I said 410 was a failure...just read what I type and don't assume things.

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[Major Tom]

01) Tie between the Me-410 and A-20G-1 (hispanos) or G-20, both are very decent and flexible aircraft and would keep the LW and US airplane enthusiasts occupied for many minutes before they start asking for more aircraft.
02) B-25H-5
03) B-25C/D
04) A-26B   (NON perk, we need it to counter those blasted foo-fighters with its x14 .50's!)
05) Clip winged early B-26B (torpedo equipped!)
06) The Woody
07) Ki-102
08) G4M4
09) Ki-45
10) P-38D
11) He-177 (well it has two props)
12) Bf.110G
13) Pe-2
14) B-25J in twenty-seventh Air Force markings
15) B-25B w/(an option to delete the ventral turret for... Carrier Operations! :] )

And while they're at it, some parafrag bombs would be nice, napalm is nicer (would close a runway for a good while), and Skip bombs are just plain nasty little multi purpose harbingers of death at all angles of attack that I’d like to see in the game.

[Dinger]

But if you do it in the HTC way, of one plane per country, you get:
1) Me-410
2) A-20G-1 (hispanos) or G-20,
3) Ki-45
4) Pe-2
5) Spit. F. Mk IXt

[rosco-]

 IM with funked and dinger. It would be truely unique to AH and set it farther apart from the competition.

 Bring the F IXt to Aces High.

[Karnak]

Major Tom,
It doesn't work that way.  If the Me410 and A-20 are added the German and American aircraft aficiandos will simply move on to the next demand that is all important.

Left up to voters on this board, we would probably get the Devastator, Hudson, Bf108 and Fw189 before we got the Ki61, Mosquito, Ki44, Pe-2, Ki84, Tu-2, Ki67, Spitfire MkXIV, Il-2M3 or any of the other significant Japanese, Russian, British or Italian aircraft.  Many players point out how their favorite aircraft is the one that should be added next because it did yadda, yadda, yadda.  Because the American and German aircraft have more fans, or at least more vocal fans, they will always be the ones that win these polls.  After voting, the fans of these aircraft do not simply fade away, they move on to their next favorite and mass push for it, once again drowning out fans of other nations aircraft.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[mx22]

Yes!!!

Bring the Spitfire F IXt. It's like a twing mustang, but made specially for dweebs like me, so I can turn better

mx22