Who said the FW190 is not a good Jabo?

[gatt]

 

[Wilbus]

Hihihihi, want the Beethoven loadout  

[ra]

All kidding aside, the 190 is a great jabo.  I don't know why LW types complain that they have no good jabos.  It doesn't have the ord of the bigger jabos, but 1x500kg and all that ammo for strafing is very effective for taking fields.  The quick roll rate makes it my favorite ack strafer.

ra

[Urchin]

We complain because the 190F8 (which is supposed to be the Jabo version) is a useless POS.  You get the firepower of the Dora, combined with handling that is worse than the A8, and in exchange you get to carry 4 50kg bombs.  Whoopy!

There need to be WAY more ordinance options for the 190F8- the plane could carry 1000 kg of bombs, it could carry air to ground rockets (which are quite nice for killing vehicles with), and it was (supposedly) armored even more than the A8.  In AH it has none of this.

[Wotan]

Well if I fly 190f8 most of the time for jabo if not an a8.

Now if I were to fly as many jabo sorties in a jug my attack rank would be much higher.

In a 190f8 you have to use just about all you have to kill a hanger. Theres no problem with that. Not everything needs parity.

I enjoy flying the f8 and just wish for more ord loadouts as long as it falls within the scope of historical accuracy. Even lw bombers in ah dont carry the big bombs (see bradys post).

[DingHao2]

maybe an Hs-129 B-1
or an Me-410 B-1/2?

both would be great planes for this.

[R4M]

Originally posted by ra:
All kidding aside, the 190 is a great jabo.  I don't know why LW types complain that they have no good jabos.  It doesn't have the ord of the bigger jabos, but 1x500kg and all that ammo for strafing is very effective for taking fields.  The quick roll rate makes it my favorite ack strafer.

ra

Well, yahknow ,ra...I would mostly agree with you, if it wasnt for the fact that...

the Fw190F8 lacks 80% of its historical loadout. We dont say its not a good jabo. We say that we lack the weapons to MAKE IT a good jabo.

Right now people fly F8 because is pretty (beautiful skin), its historical, and it doesnt hurt their A8 score (sic.). They should be flying the F8 because it should be able to carry 3 heavy bombs, or one bomb and two DTs, or one DT and two bombs, or 8 light bombs, or 4 light bombs AND two medium bombs, or antitank rockets, or...

you get the idea?. We have the plane. Now we lack the loadout options.

Is really something to be pissed about (moreover if we remember that the rediculous P47D30 full-loadout is still there for anyone to get it up to hte sky...)

[Glasses]

The 190D9, the A8 ,and F8 could carry a much wider  Jabo load than the one that is portrayed in AH. That's one of the biggest complaints we all have,than rather planes like the Jug and EVEN the pony,havea large amount of ordinance selection they have in AH compared to the historical load of those mentioned.

I have no complaints of the potential historic Jabo capabalities of the 190s in AH they just need the bombs to get the job done a single 500KG bomb is not enough and it isn't enough for any of these.

HTC should consider and add the ordinance for these aircraft,  since Jabo we're underpowered and undergunned.

[brady]

Ya know I typed a realy long rank and just deleated it,I am burt on complaning,weary of my campaign for equality in country's, aircraft modeling(tank, boat).

 Pyro models stuff to fill gaps in the plane set and picks the best platform to do it with regardless of country of orgin.Ya cant please all the people all the time.

 It would be nice to have a few more bomb options for Axis aircraft, heck the George could cary 4 50kg bombs instead of the 2 250kg bombs to but I am not asking for miricals

 A spell checker would be cool though

[Animal]

how could that thing take off?

[janjan]

Well, I can rutinely kill 3 GVs with 190F's bombs...1 with the 500 kg and 2x50 kg/GV pops them almost every time.

[Wotan]

no toejame janjan we all can thats the average fer any jabo plane. With the exception of the jug most US planes carry 2 bombs plus rockets. 3 gv kills are about average with those planes.

The fact is ther are ord options that aren't modeled for the 190s (as well as many others who I could care less about  ). The ability to kill more then 3 gvs isnt going to happen with an expanded loadout for the f8. Theres only so much ord you can strap to it. But the the new "kill the whole town" theres more you can do with say 2x250kgs then 4 50s.

[GRUNHERZ]

We could use the following for 190 Jabo.

A 190D9 option to carry 4 50kg underwing bombs.

A 1000kg bomb for 190F8. (also to Ju88)

Armor piercing 20mm ammo modeling for 190f8.

Time delay fuzes for 190f8 bombs.

More armor to 190f8, apparently the extra weight is modeled while the extra protection is not.

24 Panzerblitz 55mm HEAT rockets under the wings.

More options to carry bombs/fuel under the wings.


The P47 and P51 currently carry historcally impossible jabo loads, the LW 190s should at least get its full historicaly possible jabo loads.

[GRUNHERZ]

Also we need antipersonel clusterbombs and also antitank cluster bombs. The antipersonell cluster bomb had 96 2kg HE bomblets encased in standard "bomb like" cylinder. The LW had and used both during the war.

[ra]

<<<the Fw190F8 lacks 80% of its historical loadout. We dont say its not a good jabo. We say that we lack the weapons to MAKE IT a good jabo.>>>

To MAKE IT a good jabo by your standards would require allowing ord loadouts which were never or rarely ever used in combat, and some of which would require that guns and armor be removed.  I don't think the AH FM is set up for that.  And if you start allowing oddball ord loudouts it opens a can of worms.  Both the Hog and the P-38 were tested with 2x2K bombs.  If that was available in AH it would leave the LW grumbling because even a 190A8 with 1000 Kg of bombs doesn't match it.

If there AH had important targets worthy of a 50Kg bomb the 190F8 would probably be more popular as a jabo.  The Il2 has the same problem in that many of it's typical historic loadouts are useless in AH.

Instead of asking for sci-fi loadouts the LW should present proof to HTC that U.S. jabos weren't loaded with full bombs AND ammo AND rockets AND fuel in combat.  That and some small targets for the 50Kg bombs would make the 190 look more like a serious jabo when compared with US iron.  And that's what this is really all about.

ra