Prototype Planes?

[PaintSniper]

    I was wondering if adding in prototype planes that were made in few numbers should be added to Aces High. Planes such as the Dornier Do 335, the Horton Go 229, the de Havilland DH.100 Vampire, and others could be implimented into Aces High, but with severe restrictions. For one, there would need to be an outragous amount of perk points needed to up one of these planes and they will need to be limited to certain bases. Second, they can't be completely invulnerable to enemy attack. There need to be at least one other type of plane that needs to be able to catch up with the prototype planes. Also, implementation will need to be limited so that there will be minimal affect on the progress of one country over another.

    I'm not saying we need a bunch of prototype planes flying around, I just wish for ALL planes that flew during the war, whether or not they saw extended combat, to be considered in a game designed to replicate a true WW2 flying experience. Please feel free to post your opinions, but please do not put other's ideas down just because they differ from your own. Thank you for your cooperation.

[l0newolf]

But most of those planes dident see service......

[PaintSniper]

But most of those planes dident see service......

I'm just throwing out examples, details can be worked out as this post progresses.....

[Yossarian]

HiTech has said in the past that for a plane to be added, it must satisfy the following conditions:
1) seeing combat with the enemy during WWII
2) being deployed in squadrons (I this one is right, not quite sure though)

I don't think any experimental planes satisfy those points.

Also, you say:

Also, implementation will need to be limited so that there will be minimal affect on the progress of one country over another.

The problem with this is that the planes will see minimal usage in the game, and therefore won't really be worth the time they take to develop.  There are many other planes which would have a far greater use in-game.

[justIN]

Careful for asking for those type planes,didn't you see the post I did on prototypes?But if any plane is fun and any good people will fly them!Look at the 262 people pay alot of perks to fly one of them.

[Yossarian]

Careful for asking for those type planes,didn't you see the post I did on prototypes?But if any plane is fun and any good people will fly them!Look at the 262 people pay alot of perks to fly one of them.

But the 262 was not experimental, and it did see combat in squadron-strength before the end of the war.

[Krusty]

Upwards of 1200 Me262s were made (production models) and upwards of 600 actually saw combat.

HiTech has said in the past that for a plane to be added, it must satisfy the following conditions:
1) seeing combat with the enemy during WWII
2) being deployed in squadrons (I this one is right, not quite sure though)

#2 is "unit strength" -- in the case of our Ta152 it barely met unit strength as the squadron was divided into gruppe. So not technically "squadron" strength, but "unit" -- whatever that unit of organization might have been (like Gruppen, for the Germans)

I believe the third point you left out is:

3) Must be a production model, no pre-prodcution prototypes and no field modifications.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Also, you say:
The problem with this is that the planes will see minimal usage in the game, and therefore won't really be worth the time they take to develop. 

Is everyone familiar with the concept of a halo nameplate? I have a problem with normative statements of this type - I'm not sure it won't e "worth the time". Why?

Well, I think the ultimate goal of this sim is user immersion. That's what grabs the user by the crotch, gets him willing to pay money. People pay for an experience. Now, consider a combat flight sim experience in which, just like back in the day, you might just see something you can't believe/don't expect.


Imagine the reaction of the Tempest jock (I know, an impeachable source) who first saw the Pfeil.


Better idea: HTC develops protos in secret an unleashes them via select users here and there.

[Tec]

No thanks. There's plenty of planes that actually were a part of the war that we don't have, lets worry about those first. K? K.

[Krusty]

It takes the same amount of time and effort to introduce any plane (mind you different amounts for different categories, heavy bomber vs single fighter).

Putting in some rare, never-saw-service, never-carried-weapons, never-saw-the-enemy idiotic prototypes IS a waste of time. [Edit; Not talking about Do335, but many of the prototype requests we get here, in general]

Period.

End of sentence.

Because they have just wasted their time and the opportunity to create something "worthy." And yes, some planes are far more worthy of mention in regards to WW2 aviation than others.

Imagine if HTC were in the planning stages of releasing AH and were about to start their first plane... Is it the P-51? No. The iconic and cannot-be-ignored-bf109? No... What if they started on the Me209? A plane with almost no relevance in WW2, saw no action and was never armed because it was a political stunt to win international speed records?

Wouldn't you agree that there very definitely ARE planes that are worthy, and planes that are NOT worthy?

Time is only time, but once wasted it's gone. Perhaps wasted is too harsh. I'd say more "opportunies ignored, changes to get better things done passed by, etc"

So all the time they spent wasting on some prototype that never-was, they could have spent on a Ki43 (for example). Sure, they still can spend yet more time and still do the Ki43, but that could/would/should have already been here by now. It's all a matter of proper time management on a project. HTC has their own ideas (whatever they may be) and they seem to be aimed at set ideals.

Prototypes don't fall under those ideals.

[Yossarian]

Upwards of 1200 Me262s were made (production models) and upwards of 600 actually saw combat.

#2 is "unit strength" -- in the case of our Ta152 it barely met unit strength as the squadron was divided into gruppe. So not technically "squadron" strength, but "unit" -- whatever that unit of organization might have been (like Gruppen, for the Germans)

I believe the third point you left out is:

3) Must be a production model, no pre-prodcution prototypes and no field modifications.

I thought I was missing something - thanks.

[PaintSniper]

Putting in some rare, never-saw-service, never-carried-weapons, never-saw-the-enemy idiotic prototypes IS a waste of time. [Edit; Not talking about Do335, but many of the prototype requests we get here, in general]

Does that mean that there is a possibility of us maybe seeing a Do335 in Aces High sometime in the future?

[lyric1]

Does that mean that there is a possibility of us maybe seeing a Do335 in Aces High sometime in the future?

Doubt it very much.

[Ack-Ack]

Does that mean that there is a possibility of us maybe seeing a Do335 in Aces High sometime in the future?

No, it fails to meet the criteria.  It never saw operational service and only 22 pre-production models were ever made.

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