Black outs for lack of oxygen

[phatzo]

Simba thats pretty funny. Imagine having to enter your height, weight, fitness level and smoker or not in before flight to get the right amount of anoxia before flight. 

[daddog]

And the effect on the pilot depends on the fitness of that particular pilot, so modelling anoxia would have to allow for this variable to be realistic and fair. So, nice idea but I reckon it's a non-starter.

 

How could HTC possibly base it on the fitness of a pilot to make it fair? Unless we are all to take a fitness test and send the results to HTC. 

To make it fair the 'effect' it would be the same for all players.

[waystin2]

Lol.   
Maybe they can hook one of these up with a USB?

[Traveler]

I'm from Minnesota; typical altitude 1500'.  When I had a job and money I'd head west to the mountains at least once or twice a year to go camping and off-roading in my Jeep.  Colorado, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, etc.  I've spent a lot of time at altitudes of 8000' + and never had any difficulty aclimating.

That would be because at sea level every time you take a breath you inhale a mixture of gases, about 21% of that gas is oxygen.  Your body only uses about 7% of that Oxygen and you exhale the unused gases and Co2.  That why mouth to mouth rescue breathing works.  At 8000 feet there is still an abundant supply of oxygen.  However, the Atmospheric pressure is which is about 14.7 PSI at sea level  is down to 10.3 PSI and at 14,000 feet is about 8.0 PSI.  Pressure is the critical factor, not the level of Oxygen, but rather the level of atmospheric pressure available to press the O2 Oxygen molecules into the blood stream.

[Shamus]

 

How could HTC possibly base it on the fitness of a pilot to make it fair? Unless we are all to take a fitness test and send the results to HTC. 

To make it fair the 'effect' it would be the same for all players.

...plus he would have to start modeling random hangovers as well.

shamus

[daddog]

lol Well, they could include a Breathalyzer (spelling?) along with the fitness test.

[Liberator]

With slow oxygen deprivation, like an airplane climbing, you are not aware of it for a long time. My grandpa, a WWII veteran who was a waist gunner in a B-24, said one time the other waist gunner fell down on the floor and turned blue in the face. Ice had accumulated in the oxygen tube, so he wasn't getting enough oxygen. When my grandpa went to switch his oxygen mask, he didn't know why my grandpa was messing with him. He wasn't even aware something was wrong.

[Bino]

Not a new idea, but it is something that came up when we were talking about FSO setup's.
With a relatively new batch of some early war AC it would be a nice feature to add to our events.

While I certainly applaud FSO's continuing effort to boldly go where no flightsim has gone before, in this particular case, I'm not so sure.  By the late 1930s every airforce worthy of the name provided its pilots with oxygen systems.  Whether those systems worked properly is another question.  But, if we're going to ask that AH model occasional oxygen system failures, I have to ask: why stop there?  Why not model engine failures on takeoff?  Guns jamming when fired?  Radios failing to transmit?  Tires bursting on landing?  Tail surfaces breaking during high-G pullouts?  The list goes on and on.  We've all heard stories about one or more of these things.  Despite the existence of the anecdotes, I don't think it is possible - sixty years after the fact - to accurately quantify the probability of systems failures.  Absent any hard numbers on just how common those were, any implementation would have to be based on a guess.  And I think that's a bad idea.

All IMHO, of course.   

[Chalenge]

I just want to see planes above 41k cause the pilots blood to boil without a pressure suit. No more rook astronauts!

[Krusty]

Bino, I'm against random failures overall. However, it's not the case that "every air force" had O2 by the 1930s. Even our good old US of A didn't do it in many planes the first 2-3 years. The high alt guys going to berlin at 30k did for sure, but they weren't the only ones fighting the enemy.

[Bino]

Interesting input here: A History of US  Military Aviation Oxygen Breathing Systems

Throughout the 1930's the USAAC researchers at Wright Field produced a series of oxygen systems, based initially on equipment built by Draeger for German Zeppelin crews during WWI.

The article also refers to "...publication of USAAC TO 01-1H-1B (dated April 1938). This Technical Order stated that all personnel would use supplemental oxygen at all times in flights above 15,000 feet and that oxygen would be used at all times during any flying done at night (in order to help preserve good vision and motor skills coordination)."

[Stoney]

My idea wasn't about introducing oxygen system failures or simulating poorly operating or maintained oxygen systems, bur rather, a setting that would make pilots blackout from a lack of oxygen at a certain altitude for those battles when we know (from history), that the pilots weren't using oxygen.  The magic altitude could be whatever, based on some research into hypoxia.  That's it, nothing more.

[perdue3]

I like it but we need to deal with ceilings first, I got an I-16 up to 24k the other day while I was afk.

Seriously? 24 freakin k?




perdweeb

[Bino]

My idea wasn't about introducing oxygen system failures or simulating poorly operating or maintained oxygen systems, bur rather, a setting that would make pilots blackout from a lack of oxygen at a certain altitude for those battles when we know (from history), that the pilots weren't using oxygen.  The magic altitude could be whatever, based on some research into hypoxia.  That's it, nothing more.

Stoney, I'd very much like to learn more about this.  Please let me know where I can read about "...battles when we know (from history), that the pilots weren't using oxygen."

Thanks!   

[Stoney]

Stoney, I'd very much like to learn more about this.  Please let me know where I can read about "...battles when we know (from history), that the pilots weren't using oxygen."

Thanks!   

Is that sincere or snarky?