Spaghetti bombers

[bigjava_4stormo]

i wish a italian bomber

i put here the most significative italian bomber
axis need some new bomber....

S.M ( Savoia Marchetti) 79 "Sparviero" (Sparrowhawk)

"The Savoia-Marchetti S.79 "Sparviero" (Sparrowhawk) was the most representative (and photographed) Italian bomber of the World War II. Originally was designed as a fast passenger transport aircraft. The three-engined, torpedo and medium-bomber was easily recognizable due to having a distinctive fuselage "hump", and was well-liked by its crews who gave it the nickname Gobbo Maledetto ("damned hunchback"). The S.79 first saw action in the Spanish Civil War, and remained in service in Italy until 1952."

Savoia Marchettis S.79 flying over the Otranto's Channel in 1941


Two pictures on an odd accident between an Italian Savoia Marchetti S.79 and a Junkers Ju 88. In the photo sharing site where the pics come from (http://www.flickr.com), the funny title was "Love in in the air"





some other nice photo and description

http://www.finn.it/regia/html/seconda_guerra_mondiale03.htm




Cant Z 1007 "Alcione"   (The alcione is a good omen bird supposed to nest when the sea is calm)


 The Cant Z.1007 was developed from the Cant Z.506 seaplane, an aircraft that had established many world records in the late 1930s. It was a land-based version and incorporated many improvements, especially on the powerplant. Filippo Zapata, the father of many aerodynamically streamlined aircraft, designed the Z.506. As a land-based bomber, it was better than other machines already in service with the Regia Aeronautica and therefore, a first series of 32 were ordered, and designated Z.1007 Asso, after its 619 kW (830 hp) Isotta-Fraschini Asso inline engines.
The Asso engines had annular radiators so their profile was similar to radial engines that would be fitted later. The first prototype flew in March 1937, but lacked an improvement in performance compared to the Savoia-Marchetti S.79 "Sparviero", even with 430 km/h (270 mph). Improvements were made with Piaggio P.XI engines, capable of 750 kW (1,000 hp) and the Z.1007bis went into production in 1939 displaying more capability than all previous Italian bombers.
Info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1007



Cant Z.1007 bis "Alcione" twin tail of the 191st Squadrion, 86th Group, 35th Wing B.T. (land bombers) started from Brindisi for a bombing mission over the Grecian hinterland (1024x713)













Fiat BR. 20 "Cicogna"  (Stork)

In 1934, Regia Aeronautica requested Italian aviation manufacturers to submit proposals for a new medium bomber. The specifications called for speeds of 330 km/h (205 mph) at 4,500 m (15,000 ft) and 385 km/h (239 mph) at 5,000 m (16,500 ft), a 1,000 km (620 mi) range and 1,200 kg (2,600 lb) bomb load. Although Piaggio, Macchi, Breda, Caproni and Fiat offered aircraft that mainly exceeded the speed requirements (but not range), not all exhibited satisfactory flight characteristics or reliability. Accepted among the successful proposals, together with the tri-motor Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 and Cant Z.1007, was the BR.20 "Cicogna" designed by Celestino Rosatelli. In fact, "BR" stands for "Bombardiere Rosatelli" (Rosatelli Bomber)




  The   Fiat BR.20 SN.22621 243-2 of the 243rd Squadron forced down at Woodbridge, Suffolk, Battle of Britain. An officer holds wine and biscuts found in the Italian plane   



more photos
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http://www.finn.it/regia/html/seconda_guerra_mondiale04.htm

[Yossarian]

You may want to change the title of this thread.  "Spaghetti bombers" is at best undescriptive, and at the very least....well yeah 

Also, nice post, but you should include some more figures on the plane (i.e. its speed, max altitude, etc).

+1, anyway

[Rino]

     Well now we know where MC-202s come from 

[AirFlyer]

The P. 108 would be awesome, I doubt we'll ever see it though.

[caldera]

The SM79 is so ugly the Ju-88 put a bag on her head.   


+1 for Spaghetti bombers.

[Ardy123]

+1 

[bigjava_4stormo]

You may want to change the title of this thread.  "Spaghetti bombers" is at best undescriptive, and at the very least....well yeah  

Also, nice post, but you should include some more figures on the plane (i.e. its speed, max altitude, etc).

+1, anyway

Yossarian have pointed rigth
spaghetti bomber is undescriptive
....but works like advertisement.....

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79 Sparviero



Specifications:

Dimensions:
Wing span:    69 ft 6 1/2 in (21.2 m)
Length:    53 ft 1 3/4 in (16.2m)
Height:    13 ft 5.5 in (4.1 m)
Weights:
Empty:    16,755 lb (7,600 kg)
Operational:    24,192 lb (11,300 kg)
Performance:
Maximum Speed:    270 mph (434 km/h)
Service Ceiling:    23,000 ft (7,000 m)
Range:    1,243 miles (2,000 km)
Powerplant:
Powered by three 559 kW (750 hp) Alfa-Romeo 126 RC.34 radials. Later three Piaggio P.XI RC40 1,000 hp 14-cylinder radial. The twin-engined S.M. 79B variety. Romania built the 79JR under license with two 894 kW (1,200 hp) Junkers Jumo 211Da liquid-cooled engines.
Armament:
It carried a 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT gun firing ahead from the roof of the cockpit humpback that enabled bullets to clear the nose propeller; a second firing to the rear from the hump; a third aimed down and to the rear from the gondola under the rear fuselage; and often a 7.7 mm firing from each beam window. this needing a crew of at least five. The bombardier occupied the gondola with his legs projecting down in two retractable tubes during the bombing run. Up to 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) of bombs were carried in an internal bay; alternatively two 450 mm (17.7 in) torpedoes could be hung externally.

wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.79

film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cl69qp5O78&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq3B6Lv-lc0




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The Cant Z.1007 Alcione (Kingfisher)




Data from  The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II[8]

General characteristics

    * Crew: 5
    * Length: 18.35 m (60 ft 2.5 in)
    * Wingspan: 24.80 m (81 ft 4.5 in)
    * Height: 5.22 m (17 ft 1.5 in)
    * Wing area: 70 m² (750 ft²)
    * Empty weight: 9,396 kg (20,715 lb)
    * Max takeoff weight: 13,621 kg (30,029 lb)
    * Powerplant: 3× Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radial engines, 745 kW (1,000 hp) each

Performance

    * Maximum speed: 458 km/h (245 kn, 285 mph)
    * Cruise speed: 338 km/h (183 kn, 210 mph)
    * Range: 1,795 km (969 nmi, 1,115 mi)
    * Service ceiling: 7,500 m (25,000 ft)

Armament

    * Guns:
          o 2 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Isotta-Fraschini Scotti or Breda-SAFAT machine guns
          o 2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
    * Bombs:
          o 1,200 kg (2,645 lb) of bombs internally. 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) externally on underwing hardpoints. Or a combined load of 2,200 kg (4,900 lb) of bombs internally and on external hardpoints.
          o 2 × 450 mm (17.7 in) 800 kg (1,800 lb), torpedoes

wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1007




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[321BAR]

sounds great if i get my M-18 first

[bigjava_4stormo]

The Fiat BR.20 Cicogna (Italian: "stork")


the BR was sell to japan, jugoslavia and romania air force
a rare image of the br 20 that italy sell to japan army befor WWII began





Specifications (Fiat Br.20M)

Data from The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II[16]

General characteristics

    * Crew: 5
    * Length: 16.68 m (54 ft 8 in)
    * Wingspan: 21.56 m (70 ft 8.75 in)
    * Height: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
    * Wing area: 74.0 m² (796.5 ft²)
    * Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,330 lb)
    * Max takeoff weight: 10,100 kg (22,270 lb)
    * Powerplant: 2× Fiat A.80 RC.41 18-cylinder radial engine, 746 kW (1,000 hp) each

Performance

    * Maximum speed: 440 km/h (273 mph)
    * Cruise speed: 340 km/h (211 mph)
    * Range: 2750 km (1,709 mi)
    * Service ceiling: 8,000 m (26,250 ft)

Armament

    * Guns: 3× 12.7 mm (.5 in) Breda-SAFAT machine guns
    * Bombs: 1,600 kg (3,530 lb) of bombs




film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2eP8t6GiU

wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_BR.20

[kingcobradude]

+1 on all 3

[Krusty]

Now we know where Ju-52s come from!!

[onan]

I like them all, would be nice to see some different EW bombers.

+1

[Saxman]

Not a bad idea for the future, but we have a few other Axis bombers (G4M and He-111) that had SIGNIFICANTLY bigger impacts on the war that are missing and are badly needed first.

[waystin2]

+1.

[bigjava_4stormo]

Not a bad idea for the future, but we have a few other Axis bombers (G4M and He-111) that had SIGNIFICANTLY bigger impacts on the war that are missing and are badly needed first.

ok all agree that axis haven't few bombers that are not only planes but even a simbol of WWII...
but i undeline that we haven't italian bomber AT ALL
i mean cantZ and fiat br 20 were produced in little series but sm 79 is the bomber that have sunk
the most tons of allied convoy's ship in mediterraneo sea.



production of italian bomber:

fiat br 20 ----------------------> 514 airplanes produced  ( about 120 selled to japan and romania)

SAI marchetti S.M.81-----------> 534 airplanes produced

Cant Z.  1007 Bis---------------> 560 airplanes produced

SIAI marchetti S.M. 79 ---------> 1217 airplanes produced



i feel this lackness we need to have more fun he-111, g4m
but we need S.M. 79 becouse there is no italian bomber in AH :-)