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Offline FTJR

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Ki - 84
« on: April 25, 2010, 04:59:24 AM »
Could we please have it able to carry both a drop tank and a bomb, as it could in real life. I posted on this once when we got it, and the idea was shot down, but I dont see how it could be a problem.

That is my wish, oh and add the beaufighter, please.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 07:38:44 AM »
Yes the Beaufighter :)
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 07:52:06 AM »
Yes the Beaufighter :)
nah the M-18 :aok
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 10:09:38 AM »
I have seen a photo of operational Ki-84s configured thus.  Apparently it is a pain to hand though as the fighter becomes progressively unbalanced.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 10:26:57 AM »
For AH use you will never need this setup.

It currently has a very long range already on internal fuel only. The DT is only needed to extend the range to which that single bomb can be delivered. In the real war, flying all over the Pacific Ocean, it was useful.

In AH You can pretty much fly everywhere and anywhere on the  45-minutes(?) or so of full throttle that internal fuel gives you (probably 2 hours on cruise).

Why do you want this setup? Is it to simply lug around bombs with 25% internal fuel, ditch the DT and dogfight like a zero?

Might I suggest simply flying the zero if that's the case? This bird will still outfly most of the planeset even with a little fuel onboard.

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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 06:38:01 PM »
For AH use you will never need this setup.

It currently has a very long range already on internal fuel only. The DT is only needed to extend the range to which that single bomb can be delivered. In the real war, flying all over the Pacific Ocean, it was useful.

In AH You can pretty much fly everywhere and anywhere on the  45-minutes(?) or so of full throttle that internal fuel gives you (probably 2 hours on cruise).

Why do you want this setup? Is it to simply lug around bombs with 25% internal fuel, ditch the DT and dogfight like a zero?

Might I suggest simply flying the zero if that's the case? This bird will still outfly most of the planeset even with a little fuel onboard.
full fuel tanks and get two tanks shot out and you can still rearm and engage then rtb with even more kills :aok ...just don't light up like a match when ur tanks get shot...
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 08:10:22 PM »
If your strapping ugly bombs on the bottom of a BEAUTIFUL KI84......



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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 10:14:50 PM »
for the 84, I would like the flaps to be modeled correctly.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 10:34:19 PM »
for the 84, I would like the flaps to be modeled correctly.
Could you provide more information on that?  I have looked everywhere I could for more data about it, but nowhere can I find a high limit for combat settings.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 11:01:16 PM »
Could you provide more information on that?  I have looked everywhere I could for more data about it, but nowhere can I find a high limit for combat settings.

well being of the fowler design I thout too that they wood extend at the same speed as does the flaps on the 51 (adding more lift than drag I mean)

they seem to be modeled only for landing :(
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 11:31:58 PM »
For AH use you will never need this setup.

It currently has a very long range already on internal fuel only. The DT is only needed to extend the range to which that single bomb can be delivered. In the real war, flying all over the Pacific Ocean, it was useful.

In AH You can pretty much fly everywhere and anywhere on the  45-minutes(?) or so of full throttle that internal fuel gives you (probably 2 hours on cruise).

Why do you want this setup? Is it to simply lug around bombs with 25% internal fuel, ditch the DT and dogfight like a zero?

Might I suggest simply flying the zero if that's the case? This bird will still outfly most of the planeset even with a little fuel onboard.

Krusty, whats your problem with it? it was available in real life, why do I have to explain its possible uses in the context of AH? Its a wish, not an outrageous one at that.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 11:32:08 PM »
well being of the fowler design I thout too that they wood extend at the same speed as does the flaps on the 51 (adding more lift than drag I mean)

they seem to be modeled only for landing :(

And you would be incorrect on that.


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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2010, 01:23:35 AM »
And you would be incorrect on that.ack-ack

to what do you refer as incorrect?
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2010, 02:48:48 AM »
well being of the fowler design I thout too that they wood extend at the same speed as does the flaps on the 51 (adding more lift than drag I mean)

they seem to be modeled only for landing :(

What Ack-Ack is referring to, at a guess, is that 1) the P-51 does not have fowler flaps and 2) the Ki-84's fowler flaps are most certainly useful in combat, if you know how to use the fighter's strengths.

It is odd that only Lockheed and Nakajima seemed to like fowler flaps when they seem to offer considerable advantages.
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Re: Ki - 84
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2010, 03:55:20 AM »
to what do you refer as incorrect?

Your claim that the flaps on the Ki-84 were only "modeled for landing".


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