Tail Dragger

[guncrasher]

LMFAO are you serious? Life is about fun and risks. Snitching is for punk sissies. Lighten up a bit geez
I'd do it, but im goofy like that and dont mind a few broken bones.

grow up bipolar, life is about being responsible.  you want to break you own bones or kill yourself, hey your life, just dont show up at the er and expect me to pay for it.  if that guys was to go to the middle of nowhere then its natural selection, but if he crashes into somebody's house or property then he needs to be reported.  and btw u wouldnt call police officers snitches or punks do you? but that's what they do, they report to the court illegal activity, or take dumb people to the hospital, which is probably what this guy needs.

semp

[RipChord929]

Wild animal trainers, gator wrestlers, big air bike jumpers (who said MC's don't move in 3 dimensions, or fly), lots of ppl do things that others would consider crazy or stupid..  Some ask why, others why not!  I'm a why not guy myself..

My life has never been mundane, and I like it that way... If it was, I'd die from the sheer boredom of it...
If an ultralite, or whatever, crossed my path for the right price, I'll grab it, and do it... NO question!

It's no worse a risk, than the 20 rider Kamikazi Drag Race into the first turn in MX racing, when the turn is only 3 bikes wide (Maybe)
Ya have to remember, that the rules on the track are variable as well, as clean or dirty as you like.. Often between hard rivals, it becomes like chariot racing in the Roman Hippodrome.. Rules and common decency, go right out the window, when the gate drops!

[Serenity]

I cannot read through the ignorance.

[RipChord929]

I cannot read through the ignorance.

Ask yourself honestly, does he (I) care?

RC

[RichardDarkwood]

The Dumb is strong in this thread.

RTR

Figures you have to resort to name calling..........


but then again who takes anyone from Canadia seriously anyway





Todd

[MORAY37]

I will point out one VERY clear and distinguishing point:

This thread is about FLYING AN AIRCRAFT. Every single person who has come into this thread and HAS flown a plane, and IS at LEAST a licensed pilot, has said this is unsafe and foolish behavior. The ONLY people who say this is a fun, great idea, are the people who have never been there.

A little example of how things can go very badly. I recently "earned" my wings. That is to say, after having my license and having flown for years, I underwent that singular experience in which you discover whether or not you have what it takes to become a pilot.

My background: I am a licensed pilot. I have flown everything from Gliders, to Helicopters, to single engine prop planes, and have formal training for IFR flight using a full-motion US Navy P-3 simulator. My specialties however lie in gliders and light prop aircraft. I started flying when I was 13, and have received formal training from private instructors in gliders, a US Navy instructor in the P-3 Sim, and both Embry Riddle and USAF instructors in Cessnas. After all this training, I am no expert, but I am leaps and bounds ahead of this guy.

I was recently flying my own personal aircraft, a small single engine aircraft that straddles the line between Single Engine Power and Light Sport, on a perfectly clear, calm day. I took off from my home field at Dillingham Airfield, made the 30 minute flight to Honolulu International Airport with my father in the right seat. I followed all of my check-lists, and made a text-book approach as per my training. On the turn from base to final, at about 600ft AGL and midway through my bank, the nose started to drop, and the plane began to roll into the turn. No big deal, just a small gust of wind. I went to make a slight correction on the stick, and found the stick would not move. The nose got lower, and I was headed at the ground while banked. Rudders responded fine, but the stick had absolutely no motion in any direction. Long story short, after a few miliseconds of panic, I collected my wits about me and evaluated the situation. Finally, I realized my father's sunglasses had fallen, and wedged into the well the stick rests in on his side of the aircraft. Well, once the stick was cleared I had a new problem. I was just a hundred feet or so off the ground, with far too much speed due to my dive, and constrained to land on that pass, with traffic running parallel to me on 4R, and traffic at an angle to me on 8L. Whats more, I had to land and hold short before the intersection with 8L in an aircraft notorious for floating. So, with little altitude, WAY too much speed, and not nearly as much runway space to land as I would have liked, I had to use every trick in the book, and fly that fuzzy line between control and stall, in order to shed enough speed to get my gear on the ground. Brakes squeezed, I rolled to a stop mere feet from the Hold Short line at the intersection with 8R, out of breath, shaken, and not anxious to get into the air again.

My point? Even with all the formal instruction I can get, with more experience than most private pilots in a wider variety of aircraft and flying conditions, I still straddled the line between life and death so very nearly I actually thanked a god I didn't believe in when I got both feet on solid ground. And this all happened due to a minor issue with a pair of sunglasses. If I had not had a formal instruction teaching me TECHNIQUES such as crabbing and cross control, if I had not had someone there to monitor the stick during practice with incipient stalls, slow speed flight, and short field landings, I may have suffered a runway incursion, simply crashed before landing, or even worse, caused a collision with the commercial jet on 8R.

There is a LOT more to go wrong in aviation than most people, pilots included, tend to take into account. This is an over-simplification, but I have learned one thing when it comes to flying: Flying from point A to point B can be done by a trained monkey. But when something goes wrong, it goes wrong faster, and farther, than in any other situation in the world. Without formal instruction, this man may well be dead the first time a gust of wind catches him on final approach. God forbid he should have succeeded enough times previously to have found it a good idea to take someone else up with him...

Also, since we like to reference the Wright Brothers a lot here, yes, they survived and excelled. Do you have the statistics for how many before and after them DIDN'T?

(For anyone interested in a little evidence of my story, my father happened to be video taping the approach. While the recovery and landing were cut off, you can see the first few seconds of the control lock, and hear me recognize the issue with the glasses via this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17RqlhH72gc)

Way to recognize and assess the situation, and get yourself out of the cascade of failure.  It's always something small and unresolved or over-reacted to, that leads to bad things.  Too many people just freeze.

[BiPoLaR]

grow up bipolar, life is about being responsible.  you want to break you own bones or kill yourself, hey your life, just dont show up at the er and expect me to pay for it.  if that guys was to go to the middle of nowhere then its natural selection, but if he crashes into somebody's house or property then he needs to be reported.  and btw u wouldnt call police officers snitches or punks do you? but that's what they do, they report to the court illegal activity, or take dumb people to the hospital, which is probably what this guy needs.

semp

kid, im grown. Life is about having fun and taking risks. Now i agree with him taking it out in to an open field and doing it. I dont believe in having fun at someone elses expense. If he hurts himself the fine, but dont hurt people around him. #2 Why do you assume i dont have insurance? Is that one of you stereotypical labels you like to throw out? Spewing your complete ignorance from your mind? #3. For those on here that know me in real life know police dont bother me. I dont fear them nor should anyone. I would say the same thing to them as i would you or anyone else. I do respect them for doing their job like i do the city trash man.

Try stepping away from your comp and living a little. Life is a drug. And it is the most addictive drug. The closer to death you are, the better the payout. Now go outside and play some hopscotch. Come back and tell me how that went for you. Everyone has to start living somewhere.

[Yossarian]

If you can read what Serenity posted, and still stand by the opinion that this guy should try to fly the plane without any training, I am simply astounded.  I've learnt something new about people today, and it's not a good thing either...

[guncrasher]

kid, im grown. Life is about having fun and taking risks. Now i agree with him taking it out in to an open field and doing it. I dont believe in having fun at someone elses expense. If he hurts himself the fine, but dont hurt people around him. #2 Why do you assume i dont have insurance? Is that one of you stereotypical labels you like to throw out? Spewing your complete ignorance from your mind? #3. For those on here that know me in real life know police dont bother me. I dont fear them nor should anyone. I would say the same thing to them as i would you or anyone else. I do respect them for doing their job like i do the city trash man.

Try stepping away from your comp and living a little. Life is a drug. And it is the most addictive drug. The closer to death you are, the better the payout. Now go outside and play some hopscotch. Come back and tell me how that went for you. Everyone has to start living somewhere.

I used to work in a life insurance handling claims.  got lots of them from people that lived life at their fullest and died by sheer stupidity, and lots of times, they took family members and others around with them.  I have read way to many reports and saw way too many pictures of bodies from idiots that died living on the edge.  I love sky diving, and I am afraid of heights, now that's fun, however I would not pack my chute unless I was trained nor would I fly the airplane just to live a little more that would be stupidity. 

and do you know that if they guy takes that plane to an empty field, crashes and kills himself that the end of it with no damages?  how much do you think it would cost clean up the area, remove the body, how many people will be involved in the recovery, funeral expenses, coroner expenses, his family,  and of course the people that saw the body will only say cool no biggie for me it didnt hurt me.  lots of the claims i had were from medical personnel, police officers etc that probably saw way too many bodies/injuries for people that "lived a little" as you said.  bs i say to that.

semp
semp

[Denholm]

Way to recognize and assess the situation, and get yourself out of the cascade of failure.  It's always something small and unresolved or over-reacted to, that leads to bad things.  Too many people just freeze.

Agreed.

[BiPoLaR]

I used to work in a life insurance handling claims.  got lots of them from people that lived life at their fullest and died by sheer stupidity, and lots of times, they took family members and others around with them.  I have read way to many reports and saw way too many pictures of bodies from idiots that died living on the edge.  I love sky diving, and I am afraid of heights, now that's fun, however I would not pack my chute unless I was trained nor would I fly the airplane just to live a little more that would be stupidity. 

i lived in a funeral home for most of my childhood and teen years. Even worked there for a couple of years helping my father pick up bodies and work the funerals. Ive seen what "ignorance" can do. Like drunk drivers killing children, that is ignorance. I said before i dont believe in living life at the expense of someone elses life. But i do like to sit on the fence of life and death. Life is so short and i refuse to live my life the way society expects me to.

and do you know that if they guy takes that plane to an empty field, crashes and kills himself that the end of it with no damages?  how much do you think it would cost clean up the area, remove the body, how many people will be involved in the recovery, funeral expenses, coroner expenses, his family,  and of course the people that saw the body will only say cool no biggie for me it didnt hurt me.  lots of the claims i had were from medical personnel, police officers etc that probably saw way too many bodies/injuries for people that "lived a little" as you said.  bs i say to that.

You can sit there and live your dreaded life behind a desk and do as you please. I will "live my life" the way i want. The difference in me and you is fear. You have it and let it control you. I have it and let it feed me. You know when youve lived life? When you step to that edge and the fear takes your breath away but you still jump. That is living life. When you hop on a bike knowing the chances of you walking away are 50% but you still gun it and hit near 200. The shaky feeling you have at the end, well, thats life saying hello.

Everyone has a difference passion. Yours may be this game or fishing. Mine is a bit more risky and has a much greater reward in the end.

Let me say this once again. I DO NOT believe and do not promote doing such things if it involves possibly hurting or killing someone else. If your going to do things of this nature, dont involve anyone else.

Now if that guy wants to do this, then so be it. That is his life and i wish him the best. 

[Maverick]

bipolar,

I have never lived behind a desk nor relied on a computer for my thrills. I lived outside doing things most folks wouldn't do if they were paid 3 times what I was paid in both uniforms and that includes you. You've never been where I have been nor done the same things.

There is a difference in taking risks for thrills and taking reasonable risks as a part of life. I don't think you have grasped that concept yet from what you have posted here. Advising someone else to do so because you would like the "thrill" or like to "feel alive" is immature for you, and foolish for the person you give the advice to should they follow it.

There is a reason stunt people are paid for their job and they are considered professionals. You would not find one of them taking an unknown plane up without having been trained to fly first and doing everything they could to mitigate risks for themselves and everyone in the area.

[BiPoLaR]

bipolar,

I have never lived behind a desk nor relied on a computer for my thrills. I lived outside doing things most folks wouldn't do if they were paid 3 times what I was paid in both uniforms and that includes you. You've never been where I have been nor done the same things.

There is a difference in taking risks for thrills and taking reasonable risks as a part of life. I don't think you have grasped that concept yet from what you have posted here. Advising someone else to do so because you would like the "thrill" or like to "feel alive" is immature for you, and foolish for the person you give the advice to should they follow it.

There is a reason stunt people are paid for their job and they are considered professionals. You would not find one of them taking an unknown plane up without having been trained to fly first and doing everything they could to mitigate risks for themselves and everyone in the area.

drop the ignorant assumptions and then post 
until then go outside and rake your yard for some of those "thrills"

[Denholm]

I can tell you have a difficult time reading.

We're against this veteran jumping in and flying for two reasons:
1. He apparently never considered other people.
2. Him crashing will only tighten an already taut leash on General Aviation.

[RichardDarkwood]

rake the yard?


more like fertilize the yard

yea go fertilize your yard MAN!






Todd