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Offline groundfeeder

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2010, 11:54:50 AM »
The vertical and torque is your friend  :aok always fight going up hill  :aok

Love to see a spit pull into the vertical to outrun (try) me, same with a B&Z 51   :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2010, 01:02:19 PM »
Love to see a spit pull into the vertical to outrun (try) me, same with a B&Z 51   :banana: :banana: :banana:
that P51D with 4 guns and 50% fuel holds alot of E over the top actually... out stalled many a 109 and spit and killed them before losing too much E to them
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2010, 01:37:31 PM »
There are not too many (notice that is not an all-inclusive statement) aircraft that can hang with a Kurfurst in the vert'  when starting out with an equal amount of energy.

There aren't many times that a vigilant K-4 pilot can be hung (yes I said hung  :o  ) from his prop.

Like others here have said, throttle management in all 109's is paramount.  In very rudimentary terms: nose down = throttle back, nose up = give 'er the gas.  

Use the torque to your advantage, especially in the K-4.  Left turn's with chopped throttle can be surprisingly tight as you are not fighting the engine.

Set trim controls somewhere on your stick as this will be a great benefit to you and will negate reaching for the keyboard at an inappropriate time and make you spill your coffee, astray, beer, etc.

Watch agent 360's films.  I'd post the link if I had time to search, but it just got a little busy, here at work.

Go to offline mode with the tater plane and shoot at all types of things, from all types of angles, pulling all types of g's.  

Learning the art of the tater will make most engagements end in your favor in very short order.

Do not discount the other 109's either.  All are very capable.  The biggest drawback is that they do not have the speed to catch most late war birds, but in a tight furball, an F model (or even an Emil starting with some energy) can be a blast and you can get some surprisingly positive results.

109's are not very forgiving aircraft, but can be quite deadly in the proper hands.    :devil
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2010, 02:07:48 PM »
How do you fly that thing, 7 years and still cant.  Got any tips?
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Go and search the help section theres a ton of stuff in there about it, please don't take that as me being cheeky.

Its just if I read another 109 thread I think I'll scream  :lol its like Chinese whispers, people tack new stuff on or alter the original advice through interpretation after about 20 threads/regurgitations the majority of what is typed becomes less and less useful to anyone new reading it.  :salute

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2010, 02:31:06 PM »
I don't have too much experience flying the 109, I prefer the f4u. But I have fought alot of the good 109 pilots, and that way I have learned how THEY fly the 109. Learned the hard way I might add..  :D  I used to go after the best 109pilots in DA and tried to figure their tricks out as I fell for them.. EAce is one of them, and I've learned alot from duelling him over and over. He's one of the greater 109 sticks I have fought!

In the beginning there was alot of me being blown all over the sky by a much faster and lighter 109, later I started to notice my mistakes. As trying to follow him into the climb every time just to drain my E before he dropped down and blew me away before I could turn anywhere..  :joystick: :furious

So from what I've seen, the best way to fly the 109 is; stay fast, stay ontop and use the climb advantage to drain other planes energy off before zooming them before they reach to recover their E. At the point they start to get slow u want to allready be on your way down to get him before he gets enough E to counter your attack by a sudden move.. And after the attack zoom right back up there to give it another go if it was a miss.

The way I've learned to counter the high 109 when I'm in my hog is to watch my speed very carefully as I climb. I never go below 150, then I level off at that speed and let the 109 climb as much as he likes. Keep my eyes at him at all times, just circle around and wait for him to make his move..
When he does I try to keep my speed up and trying to go level at a 90 degree angle from him, or if he zooms down from behind I try to gently break off to one side without losing too much E. Then I am just waiting for him to get about 800 from me, he has got his speed well up and is concentrated on his aim.. Then I point my wing at him to give him less plane surface to aim for and zoom up, his speed will most likely be too high to follow and he will hopefully miss his shot. Then I roll over as he passes behind me and pull back so I can give him a well placed burst before he gets out of guns reach on his zoom back up.. If I time it well I can get some damage to him so his next attempt will not be as easy. If I time this move perfect so his pass gets close I might get a killshot right there also.

I think my advice is to just team up with a really good 109 stick, and just observe him fighting from a distance or from the passenger seat. Save the film for later views, and observe things like speed, angles of attack, trottlework and flaps usage if ever that slow. And also duel that same stick no less than 10 sorties to manage to point out what mistakes you tend to do over and over, if any.. But main keywords to success in a 109 is speed and energy I think.  :aok
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2010, 02:35:12 PM »

Watch agent 360's films.  I'd post the link if I had time to search, but it just got a little busy, here at work.


excellent advice right here and below is the link to download those


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261486.0.html
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2010, 05:35:02 PM »
One of the funniest things I read about 109 tips is to keep it fast, only fast, BNZ, vert only, etc....

And then the same examples always compare it to P-51s and such.

The funny part? It will easily out-turn these planes 6 ways from sunday. If you run across a nimble plane then staying fast and using vert works well (spits, Ki, zekes, even some moderately manuverable ones too). If you run across a number of the faster planes: P-51, tempest, P-47, 190D, etc... You'll be much more manuverable in the turns than all of them.

So pick your fights based on your oponent, but don't be afraid to turn these babies.

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2010, 06:28:52 PM »
anybody got some time to give some training in the TA?  The 109 sounds like it might be fun...
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2010, 07:13:45 PM »
You steal this from chalenges handbook on flying?
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2010, 08:51:32 PM »
anybody got some time to give some training in the TA?  The 109 sounds like it might be fun...

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2010, 09:11:03 PM »
anybody got some time to give some training in the TA?  The 109 sounds like it might be fun...

nahhhh you still need practice in that italian job  :devil 

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2010, 09:34:47 PM »


  In very rudimentary terms: nose down = throttle back, nose up = give 'er the gas.  



109 throttle control is indeed a very interesting topic with many different views, I tend to like the opposite of the nose down throttle back, nose up giver gas belief...... I've found alot of 109 wingover and vertical reversal type of moves require very slow speeds .... in a fight use the throttle on the downside to gain e and cut the throttle as you climb ( very carefully ) till you reach the top and then slam her over with a burst of torque and a hint of flaps (109 K4/ G14 shine here). Watch some film of the best 109 sticks that you've lost fights to (sunsfan, grizz, agent, creton, killn, messiah, violator,ardy, krup etc etc come to mind)  and ususally they are doing like 70mph when they scoot it over and blast you. The gravity centric throttle idea works well in a rolling scissor fight as well....where many times the win or loss is the pilot who can get slower and exempt better throttle control to create the maximum rolls around you. Using gravity as a big arse brake is a good idea in certain situations....
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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2010, 09:37:28 PM »
anybody got some time to give some training in the TA?  The 109 sounds like it might be fun...

HAHA! He said "Might" :rofl  :D

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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2010, 09:42:10 PM »
. The gravity centric throttle idea works well in a rolling scissor fight as well....where many times the win or loss is the pilot who decided to roll a Ki84 .


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Re: You 109 pilots.
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2010, 10:10:41 PM »
anybody got some time to give some training in the TA?  The 109 sounds like it might be fun...
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