Why do we need the 75mm Sherman? (rant)

[Motherland]

Did gamers ask for the 75mm Sherman?

It's one of the more requested vehicles on the forums.
MW GV scenarios are made very difficult by the lack of the M4A3. You either have to sub in a T34 or have Firefly vs. Tiger I instead of M4 vs. Pz IV.

[Spikes]

Mainly scenario use. You will see it in the MA with that rocket contraption on the top there.

[Kenne]

. You either have to sub in a T34 or have Firefly vs. Tiger I instead of M4 vs. Pz IV.

ah, then is not the T34/76 on par with the 75mm Sherman, as has been indicated in a previous post?

[Motherland]

I would think so... I'm no GV guy. However I know enough to know that fighting T34's in the sands of Tunisia's pretty corny.

[Bronk]

ah, then is not the T34/76 on par with the 75mm Sherman, as has been indicated in a previous post?

How does the speed and RoF compare hmm?

[OOZ662]

ah, then is not the T34/76 on par with the 75mm Sherman, as has been indicated in a previous post?

Stop looking at performance comparisons and start looking at production dates and combat records. Players who take part in Special Events in order to be immersed in the realism do not want to be driving a T-34 with their buddies flying overhead in P-38s and P-47s. Besides, it'd be nice to have an American tank in the first place.

Personally, I don't care for the Spit 1 either.  I prefer the Hurri 1.   

True that.

[Obie303]

Kenne, just because it doesn't fit into your type of game play, doesn't mean that there isn't a place for it here in AH.  The 75mm Sherman is going to be a great for the gv'ers in the game.  It'll make taking bases fast and less vulnerable than taking a wirble into a town.

Personally, I don't care for the Spit 1 either.  I prefer the Hurri 1.  

And if you look at the stats on Hurri 1 and Spit 1 pilots in the MA, I think you would be surprised.  It's not always about score with people.  It's the challenge and fun of the game.

[1carbine]

Stop looking at performance comparisons and start looking at production dates and combat records. Players who take part in Special Events in order to be immersed in the realism do not want to be driving a T-34 with their buddies flying overhead in P-38s and P-47s. Besides, it'd be nice to have an American tank in the first place.

True that.

Yeah I'm not sure the M8 counts as a tank.

[Ack-Ack]

Did gamers ask for the 75mm Sherman?

point taken..i was just labouring under the idea of 'customer is always right'

Yes, the vanilla Sherman has been the topic of many a wish list.  Had you been here for any reasonable amount of time, you would have seen the numerous wishlist threads.

No, the customer is not always right.


ack-ack

[Kenne]

 It'll make taking bases fast and less vulnerable

fast...less vulnerable!!!!

u mean the 75mm Sherman was a match for the PkW4 Auf2?
and faster as well?

[OOZ662]

Stealing this from the other thread to make another point.

I've only read about 10 or so posts in this thread, but the point I'd like to make (in response to everyone saying "if its gun is on par with the T-34s, it's going to suck/be a hangar queen/ect") is how the game is slowly bringing the "standard" for tanks down.

People are used to getting bigger and better things. Upgrading, if you will. But if you look at the "strength" of the tanks being introduced, you'll notice that the average is declining. With proper balancing means, this can be put to good use. Back in AHI, you had three choices; Tiger, Panzer, M8. The Panzer was the throw-away tank and arrived en-mass to a target, while the Tiger could control the entire battlefield with decent support. A clash between groups of Tigers was a sight to behold. Due to that, the Panzer has always been seen as the standard tank in Aces High. With the introduction of the cheap Firefly, things got a bit confused.

With a properly made perk cost balance, we may see (rightfully in a historical sense) the T-34 and Sherman become the most used tanks in the game, with Panzers in slightly fewer numbers, Fireflies in a reduced quantity, and Tigers being rather rare. One could also do away with the historical lean on perk cost and use it only as a performance balancing system, in which the Firefly and Tiger would be equally rare.

As all of this is simply a proposition it obviously won't be specifically what's implemented. But, as you can see, it's a possibility. Just because we have ubertanks doesn't mean "lowering the bar" is a bad thing.

[Soulyss]

Did gamers ask for the 75mm Sherman?

point taken..i was just labouring under the idea of 'customer is always right'

N/M not worth it.

[Kenne]

Stealing this from the other thread to make another point.

then you will ask for the PkWIV Ausf F then...for Barbarossa events...yes?

[OOZ662]

then you will ask for the PkWIV Ausf F then...for Barbarossa events...yes?

I don't see the relevance in this question. Personally, I don't know the difference between Panzer models.

[Motherland]

then you will ask for the PkWIV Ausf F then...for Barbarossa events...yes?

I would love to see a vehicle set that would allow for ground battles through the entire length of the war, the same way I'd like to see a plane set that does the same thing.
People ask for very early war, non-competitive-in-the-main-arenas aircraft all the time.