MAY FSO: RANGOON SUNRISE DISCUSSION THREAD

[Stoney]

Please post all questions or discussion in this thread.  Objectives will be issued later today.

 

Stoney

[gyrene81]

No offense Stoney, but the Brewster should not be part of this setup. It's not the right model. The I-16 is closer to the performance that the F2A-1/2 had which was what the forces in Burma had. I realize you know the specs and all but just for clarification.


Brewster SPECIFICATIONS

Wingspan:   
35 ft (10.67 m) 
Wing Area:   
209 sq ft (19.42 sq m) 

Length: 
  F2A-1: 26 ft (7.92 m) 
  F2A-2: 25 ft 7 in (7.80 m) 
  F2A-3: 26 ft 4 in (8.03 m) 

Height: 
  F2A-1: 11 ft 8 in (3.56 m) 
  F2A-2 and -3: 12 ft 1 in (3.68 m) 

Empty weight: 
  F2A-1: 3,785 lbs (1,716.84 kg) 
  F2A-2: 4,576 lbs (2,075.64 kg) 
  F2A-3: 4,732 lbs (2,146,40 kg) 

Gross weight 
  F2A-1: 5,055 lbs (2,292.90 kg) 
  F2A-2: 5,942 lbs (2,695.25 kg) 
  F2A-3: 6,321 lbs (2,867.16 kg)

 Maximum speed: 
  F2A-1: 271 mph (436.13 km/h) at sea level; 301 mph (484.41 km/h) at 17,000 ft (5,182.60 m) 
  F2A-2: 285 mph (458.66 km/h) at sea level; 323 mph (519.82 km/h) at  16,500 ft (5,029.20 m) 
  F2A-3: 284 mph (457.05 km/h) at sea level; 321 mph (516.60 km/h) at  16,500 ft (5,029.20 m) 

Climb in 1 minute: 
 F2A-1: 3,060 ft (932.69 m) 
 F2A-2: 2,500 ft (762.00 m) 
 F2A-3: 2,290 ft (697.99 m) 

Service ceiling: 
  F2A-1: 32,500 ft (9,906.00 m) 
  F2A-2: 34,000 ft (10,363.20 m) 
  F2A-3: 33,200 ft (10,119.36 m)
 
Range: 
  F2A-1: 1,095 mi (1,762.23 km) 
  F2A-2: 1,015 mi (1,633.48 km) 
  F2A-3: 965 mi (1,553.02 km) 

Maximum range: 
  F2A-1: 1,545 mi (2,486.44 km) 
  F2A-2: 1,670 mi (2,687.60 km) 
  F2A-3: 1,680 mi (2,703.70 km) 

Normal fuel: 
  F2A-1: 160 US gal (605.67 l) 
  F2A-2: 242 US gal (916.07 l) 
  F2A-3: 240 US gal (908.50 l)
 


Polikarpov I-16 Type 18
 
Dimensions: 
Wing span:  29 ft. 6.5 in (9.18 m) 
Length:  6.13 m (20 ft 1.25 in) 
Height:  8 ft 5 in (2.57 m) 
Weights: 
Empty:  3,110 lb. (1,412 kg) 
Operational:  4,034 lb (1,831 kg) 
Performance: 
Maximum Speed:  288 mph (463 km/h) 
Service Ceiling:  29,500 ft. (8,998 m) 
Range:  500 miles (805 km) 
Powerplant: 
Shvetsov M-62R 1,000 hp 9-cylinder radial. 
Armament: 
Two 7.62 mm machine guns with two 20 mm cannon

[lothmog]

TBM was originally listed in the Side Assignments thread, but not included in the Write up.  Are there min/max numbers for the TBM's?

[Stoney]

No offense Stoney, but the Brewster should not be part of this setup.

In the past, we've used the F4F to sub for the F2A.  The Brewster is a lot closer to the F2A than the F4F.  This is merely something we have to do with some of these setups because we lack the actual aircraft.  The I-16 was being flown by the Chinese Air Force at this time though, so we'll use all 4 fighters.

I appreciate the clarification.

[Stoney]

TBM was originally listed in the Side Assignments thread, but not included in the Write up.  Are there min/max numbers for the TBM's?

I deleted the TBM from the plane set, as the Allies will be on the defensive all 3 frames.

[Wildcat1]

In the past, we've used the F4F to sub for the F2A.  The Brewster is a lot closer to the F2A than the F4F.  This is merely something we have to do with some of these setups because we lack the actual aircraft.  The I-16 was being flown by the Chinese Air Force at this time though, so we'll use all 4 fighters.

I appreciate the clarification.

it is my understanding that the Brewster is an F2A that was moderately upgraded and lend-leased to the Finns.

[Stoney]

it is my understanding that the Brewster is an F2A that was moderately upgraded and lend-leased to the Finns.

We don't have the model of Brewster that the RAF flew in Burma--that's what Gyrene was commenting on.

[Krusty]

Our brewster is a bit of a monster the way it's modeled now. It out-flies an F4F most ways from Sunday. It's a little slower, blows an F4F away in climb rate, blows it away in turn rate, and can hold its own against zeros. Historically, this is a farce compared to what went on in the Pacific, IMO.


But hey, I'm not the one setting it up, so not my call.

[Bino]

Hi Stoney,

In the interest of encouraging pilots to fly a little more "realistically" (i.e., a little less suicidally), please consider awarding points for surviving the Frame and making a good landing at the end.

Thanks! 

[Stoney]

Hi Stoney,

In the interest of encouraging pilots to fly a little more "realistically" (i.e., a little less suicidally), please consider awarding points for surviving the Frame and making a good landing at the end.

Thanks! 

If you've got a good, time-effective idea on how to do that, I'm all ears.  Parsing the raw logs for takeoff and landing information is pretty much slow-go.

[perdue3]

So the Chinese flew I-16's?




perdweeb

[perdue3]

Just looked in my handy dandy....book. Chinese DID have I-16s. Shocking. Although they had type 16 and 18s.





perdweeb

[Stoney]

We do try to conduct some research for these things...
 

[gyrene81]

  No matter how hard I try not to...I learn something new on these forums every day. (but I did know about the Chinese having I-16s) 

[Bino]

If you've got a good, time-effective idea on how to do that, I'm all ears.  Parsing the raw logs for takeoff and landing information is pretty much slow-go.

If you could let me know where to grab an old raw-log sample, I'm pretty sure I could write either an awk & sed script or a bit of Perl for you.