ME-262

[Lusche]

Did a little test and found the 262 went just as far as a p51 given both aircraft have a 25% fuel load flying in a straight line at 10000 ft....................that is just not realistic since the 262 real world range is half that of the mustang. It should be closer to a Spitfire especially given that loss of an engine was common due to mechanical and pilot error and the plane could only barely fly on one and only then with enough alt and speed already built up.

Some simple math for you: 

The Jumo 004B had a maximum fuel consumption of 1234 kg/h. That is under worst circumstances -> full throttle at takeoff.
That means two engines consume 2468 kg/h, which translates into ~3100 l/h.
The Me 262 had a maximum fuel capacity of 2600l.  2600l/3100l = 50 minutes flight time... at takeoff!

Now what flight time does our E6B show for the 262 at takeoff with full thrust and fuel burn 1.0? 43 minutes. Even less than the expected theoretical maximum.

[Bruv119]

don't be asking for our whizz bang anti hangar banger horde defender ride to be neutered !!  

now jog on....

it got tampered with the last few patches and now it is right again.  

[Squire]

From Wikipedia:

"Operationally, the Me 262 had an endurance of 60 to 90 minutes."

Seems correct there too. 

[morfiend]

Some simple math for you: 

The Jumo 004B had a maximum fuel consumption of 1234 kg/h. That is under worst circumstances -> full throttle at takeoff.
That means two engines consume 2468 kg/h, which translates into ~3100 l/h.
The Me 262 had a maximum fuel capacity of 2600l.  2600l/3100l = 50 minutes flight time... at takeoff!

Now what flight time does our E6B show for the 262 at takeoff with full thrust and fuel burn 1.0? 43 minutes. Even less than the expected theoretical maximum.

  For those of us with comprehension problems could we have that in chart form.


   

[Banshi]

The range of a me-262 was a little less than 600 miles the mustang was nearly 1200 so in my test if the model being used was correct the 262 would only have been able to go half the distance of the mustang instead it actually went a little farther. The model being used is way off and needs to be corrected, math and in the field testing show this to be true, unless of course you think the me-262 had a better combat range than the mustang.

[Lusche]

The model being used is way off and needs to be corrected, math and in the field testing show this to be true,

No it does not. See my post above.

[LLogann]

You can lead a horse to water Lusche.......  But you cant make him drink.   

No it does not. See my post above.

But I will say this.... New guy sure does know more than we do.  ANd he knows how to make friends.  LOL

[Banshi]

"No it does not. See my post above." your numbers fail to take the scale of the game into account which is why it differs from actual field testing.

Again, I did an actual field test did you? Testing does not lie and in my test the me-262 went farther than the mustang......du that's not realistic, not even close. The game is scaled, a Spitfire with nearly as much range as a me-262 can't even come close it. If it was modeled correctly the range would be slightly more than a spit but given the lack of reliability in the engines it should be less because the game does not take reliability into account. Flame outs and engine loss were common often due to pilot error.

"But I will say this.... New guy sure does know more than we do.  ANd he knows how to make friends.  LOL"

My father did not raise a "yes" man..................and since I am correct and in field testing backs this up I am not willing to just go with the flow to be anyone's friend.( I'll leave that for the feel good Obamabots ). I have been studying aircraft, WWII in particular, since I was old enough to open a book, I probably have more literature on my library shelves than you have even read total on the subject in your entire life. Anyone who knows squat about these aircraft could tell in an instant the range on the plane in the game is way off, makes for good fun for the 262 pilot but it cheapins the game.

The numbers don't lie, the range of the mustang was around 1200 miles the 262 less than 600 therefor the 262 should only have half the range which my test, in the game, shows it actually has a equal or greater.

The game model is not just wrong but grossly in error.

[LLogann]

5 posts............  And you're asking Lusche if he checked his data? 

Oh geez.

[LLogann]

"New guy doesn't know how to quote, but sure does know how to field test"



        

"But I will say this.... New guy sure does know more than we do.  ANd he knows how to make friends.  LOL"

[Edgar]

"No it does not. See my post above." your numbers fail to take the scale of the game into account which is why it differs from actual field testing.

Again, I did an actual field test did you? Testing does not lie and in my test the me-262 went farther than the mustang......du that's not realistic, not even close. The game is scaled, a Spitfire with nearly as much range as a me-262 can't even come close it. If it was modeled correctly the range would be slightly more than a spit but given the lack of reliability in the engines it should be less because the game does not take reliability into account. Flame outs and engine loss were common often due to pilot error.

"But I will say this.... New guy sure does know more than we do.  ANd he knows how to make friends.  LOL"

My father did not raise a "yes" man..................and since I am correct and in field testing backs this up I am not willing to just go with the flow to be anyone's friend.( I'll leave that for the feel good Obamabots ). I have been studying aircraft, WWII in particular, since I was old enough to open a book, I probably have more literature on my library shelves than you have even read total on the subject in your entire life. Anyone who knows squat about these aircraft could tell in an instant the range on the plane in the game is way off, makes for good fun for the 262 pilot but it cheapins the game.

The numbers don't lie, the range of the mustang was around 1200 miles the 262 less than 600 therefor the 262 should only have half the range which my test, in the game, shows it actually has a equal or greater.

The game model is not just wrong but grossly in error.

Your field testing is flawed in at least one account that I can think of...

1/4 tank in the mustang is not really 1/4 of the maximum fuel loadout of the Mustang. The full fuel loadout has to include drop tanks to get to the max. The 262 does not have drop tanks, thus the whole fuel loadout has to be carried internally.

So, 1/4 tank in the mustang is not 1/4 of the full fuel loadout (it may be closer to an 1/8 than you thing), and 1/4 tank in the 262 is 1/4 of the fuel loadout.

I am sure that your flight test did not include best cruise speed and configuration (throttle and rpm), and also best cruise altitude for both planes, etc.

You need to compare apples with apples.

As for the little "Obamabot" comment, you really should rethink that before you go down that road, it just destroys your credibility...

[Lusche]

In AH, at fuel burn 1.00, maximum fuel loadout,
the ME 262 has an endurance of 43 minutes at full power at takeoff.
the P-51D has an endurance of 159 minutes at full power at takeoff.

As pointed out by Edgar, you can't just compare 25% internal fuel setting.


Now show me real-world data that shows my real world data I provided above about the Jumo 004B's fuel consumption is wrong. I mean data, not just "It's just wrong"

I have been studying aircraft, WWII in particular, since I was old enough to open a book, I probably have more literature on my library shelves than you have even read total on the subject in your entire life.

You are not the only one in here reading books

[LLogann]

But his words are larger than ours.   

You are not the only one in here reading books

[AirFlyer]

It's gonna be a pie-chart free for all in here soon...

 

[Bino]

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My father did not raise a "yes" man..................and since I am correct and in field testing backs this up I am not willing to just go with the flow to be anyone's friend.( I'll leave that for the feel good Obamabots ). I have been studying aircraft, WWII in particular, since I was old enough to open a book, I probably have more literature on my library shelves than you have even read total on the subject in your entire life. Anyone who knows squat about these aircraft could tell in an instant the range on the plane in the game is way off, makes for good fun for the 262 pilot but it cheapins the game.
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Dude, lighten up.  You may be used to being the smartest guy in the room where you live, but here on the AH BBS, that little room has now become the big, wide world.