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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 03:17:25 AM »
If we could do all that stuff it would make the game too much fun. Alaw would have to be made against it.
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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 04:05:07 AM »
The first production run of the USAAF A-20Gs of 250 or so came out of the factory with the 4x 20mm nose weapon package.  A large number of these were deployed to a couple of USAAF bomber groups in the PTO for testing and evaluation in combat.  The pilots really didn't care for them, the 20mm cannons proved to be unreliable and prone to jamming and the consensus of the pilots were that machine guns were just as effective.  The remaining A-20Gs out of the pool of 250 were either converted back to 6x-8x .50 caliber machine guns or given to the Soviets under Lend-Lease with the 4x 20mm cannon intact.  The Soviets also received additional A-20G through Lend-Lease that came in both 4x 20mm and multi-machine gun nose weapon packages.


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Found a Russian web site with a lot of good info I guess the model A-20-G we have is not the model with the 20mm cannons based off the site. What we have was a model that later had the bombs mounted under the wings so that is what we have in the game. So the 20mm's are just not an option at this point maybe with the ord for perks option?



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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2010, 05:37:16 AM »
add the 8x250lb internal option for the A-20G too :aok
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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2010, 01:34:22 PM »
Hi Mates

I certainly been fussing about that ventral .50 since the plane appeared in AH.  As for the 20MM's, I think we got plenty of punch in the nose with the .50's.

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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2010, 11:13:01 PM »
Well researched post on the A-20.  :salute

+1 for the rockets  :aok

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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 12:03:28 AM »
The dorsal gun possition has been a known fault for at-least 2 years..., and the 20mm guns have been talked about as well.
It's almost a crime that the Boston has been left without the  "known" ability to have a chnce at defending itself from low 6 attacks.

Perhaps with this addition of pictures the designers will find thier way to correcting the armorment options on the Havoc/Boston.
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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 12:45:02 AM »
I had noticed on one of the pages I had posted previously a small paragraph about A20G's were built with the option of using torpedo's.
Apparently not used very much by the Western Allies.



The Russians liked the idea though & must have decided to load them on the outside of the aircraft. I guess it saved them the hassle of taking off the bomb bay doors as well.

Not to metion the Russian torpedo's look a lot bigger than the bomb bay on the A20G.





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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 12:55:42 AM »
The dorsal gun position has been a known fault for at-least 2 years..., and the 20mm guns have been talked about as well.
It's almost a crime that the Boston has been left without the  "known" ability to have a Chance at defending itself from low 6 attacks.

Perhaps with this addition of pictures the designers will find their way to correcting the armorment options on the Havoc/Boston.
Hopefully that will get done when either of these planes come up for upgrades to the game. In the mean time some more pictures of the ventral gun.



This picture I took at the RAAF museum back home over Christmas of their Boston they have on display. It looks like you can see what may be the ventral gun through the gunners window.






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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 01:11:42 AM »
Also some creativity on the part of my fellow Australian.


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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 06:14:45 AM »




 I prefer the RATO option   :D  yeah a vent gun is cute, but nothing says "catch me if ya can" like RATO  :x



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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2010, 03:22:09 AM »
Some new stuff I have.










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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2010, 05:28:38 AM »
In the OP....the A-20 with TRACKS...I must have one...I would drive that sucker to work!  :rock
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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2010, 11:01:44 AM »
 IIRC no field mods allowed.  Factory standard only.


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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2010, 11:37:36 AM »
The B-25C with the guns in the nose was also a field modification.
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Re: Boston/A-20 Upgrade.
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2010, 01:57:23 PM »
Those pics are beautiful, I wonder if they give enough detail for HTC to model the ventral gunner position on the A20/Boston?
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