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[Clone155]

First off I want to say I love the new GVs   but I have a problem. They blend in with the trees so well I have to squint my eyes just to see them. I propose that they sparkle or shimmer, or something that brings them up to par with the panzer, because right now all of the German vehicles stick out like a sore thumb. Or at least change there default skins so that they are all hard to see.

[LLogann]

 

I have to squint my eyes just to see them.

[Magnus]

Default Brown desert skin Panzers and Tigers stick out in a green back ground like a pink Spit or orange N1KI.

[waystin2]

The tanks are painted historically correct colors.  Unfortunately the German defaults are the light browns and the "shoot me I'm a Panzer" orange.

-1 to the idea.

[AWwrgwy]

First off I want to say I love the new GVs   but I have a problem. They blend in with the trees so well I have to squint my eyes just to see them. I propose that they sparkle or shimmer, or something that brings them up to par with the panzer, because right now all of the German vehicles stick out like a sore thumb. Or at least change there default skins so that they are all hard to see.

The problem isn't the tanks, it's the background.  They need to add a few more colors other than springtime green.  Getting a proper realistic blend would be the problem.

I've also believed that it's movement more than color that will give you away.


wrongway

[gyrene81]

I've also believed that it's movement more than color that will give you away.

wrongway

Not with the Panzers...that default glowing pumpkin color they used stands out like a sore thumb...you can see the things from the turret mg's even regardless of where they are.

[Magnus]

1. Panzer image from reference book ...... 2. Real Tiger in green camo

Hmmm ....... images and real picture....couldn't be hard to code one of the green tanks as the default skin ... so others could not disable plane skins or just make the game to exclude the ground vehicles in the game code disabling plane skins.

Hmm .... not hard at all.

Members wanting this change: - > You will find that other members don't want this fix, as they will have a tough time tanking. They want the easy out, when it comes to tanking in the game.



This fix in the game code will make the game more realistic and tougher time in ground battles.

[VonMessa]

Not with the Panzers...that default glowing pumpkin color they used stands out like a sore thumb...you can see the things from the turret mg's even regardless of where they are.

With a desert background, it wouldn't stick out so badly.....

[AWwrgwy]

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1. Panzer image from reference book ...... 2. Real Tiger in green camo

Hmmm ....... images and real picture....couldn't be hard to code one of the green tanks as the default skin ... so others could not disable plane skins or just make the game to exclude the ground vehicles in the game code disabling plane skins.

Hmm .... not hard at all.

Members wanting this change: - > You will find that other members don't want this fix, as they will have a tough time tanking. They want the easy out, when it comes to tanking in the game.



This fix in the game code will make the game more realistic and tougher time in ground battles.

Neither one of the tanks in the pictures are "green'.  Neither is the background they are sitting on.


wrongway

[Magnus]

^^^ need a check up?  < -    - More green the Aces High default brown.

[ACE]

-1

[AWwrgwy]

^^^ need a check up?  < -    - More green the Aces High default brown.

<Covers one eye, the good one>

First pic:

Painting of a TAN Panzer IV on Brown, muddy terrain.  Green and Brown is added as a camouflage pattern.

Second pic:

Picture of a RESTORED PzKpfw VI Tiger I painted in a dark TAN with green added in a camouflage pattern.
You will also note that the "green" field the Tiger is sitting in is not a uniform green but a mix of various shades of green and brown.


Officially:

In late 1939, OKH decided to use only the dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021) and by mid 1940, it was the only colour used, as it was factory applied.

All vehicles send to North Africa Arrived there painted in their original dark grey. In March of 1941, it ordered that vehicles in and destined for North Africa were to be painted in yellow brown/sand yellow (RAL 8000) as a base colour with grey green (RAL7008) for camouflage patterns. Yellow brown was to be used to cover 75% of the vehicle and grey green the rest. In the field, vehicles were often applied with mud and captured British paints. In addition, starting in spring of 1942, vehicles used in the southern parts of Russia, were often applied with tropical camouflage, similar or identical to those used in North Africa. In March of 1942, both colours used in North Africa were replaced by brown (dark sand) (RAL 8020) and dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021). Brown was to be used to cover 75% of the vehicle and dark grey the rest. In late August of 1942, near Leningrad, first action involving Tigers took place. New Tigers were painted overall dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021). In December of 1942, Tigers also saw combat near Tunis. Vehicles were painted overall dark grey with a thin coat of dark olive green (RAL 6003) sprayed over it. In February Of 1943, by the order of OKH, dark grey was replaced by dark yellow (RAL 7028) as the base colour for all German vehicles. For camouflage patterns dark olive green (RAL 6003) and red brown (RAL 8017) were to be used. Sometimes also olive green (RAL 8002) was used as well, especially in spring and summer. New colours were sprayed and brushed by the units in the field following the order according to their own needs. This allowed units to match their vehicles to local weather and terrain conditions. All those various paint schemes applied to all vehicles in service at the given time and area in case of North Africa and Southern Russia.

On August 19th of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028) was to be factory applied as the base colour with dark olive green (RAL 6003) and red brown (RAL 8017) for use in camouflage patterns. In addition, to those three main colours, small yellow, light grey or white spots were applied on green and brown areas, while small green spots were applied on dark yellow areas. This overall camouflage scheme was known as the "ambush" scheme so common on late war Panther and Tiger II tanks. As with any other scheme there were numerous variations depending on the unit, its location and supplies available. On October 31st of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028)was to be replaced by primer red oxide (RAL 8012) as a base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) or field grey and red brown (RAL 8017). On November 31st of 1944, OKH ordered another new colour scheme to be introduced. Dark Olive green (RAL 6003) was the base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) and red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017). Sometimes red brown (RAL 8017) was replaced with "brick" red brown (dark red) (RAL8012) colour. Similar case was with dark green (RAL 6002) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). Also due to overall shortages, many vehicles were only painted in overall base dark yellow (RAL 7028). In early 1945, dark yellow(RAL 7028) was again to be used as the base colour with red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017)and dark olive green (RAL 6003). All schemes introduced from October 31st to the last days of war, were hard edged factory applied colour schemes with disruptive edges defined sometimes in white (RAL 9002)

There is one mention of dark olive green, but "due to overall shortages, many vehicles were only painted in overall base dark yellow".

So, basically, German tanks are Tan.  Live with it.

SOURCE: http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzer-colors-1934-1945.htm


wrongway

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[Magnus]

Your trying to throw the brown panzer and tiger tank discussion off coarse and talk about solely on my picture of a green camo tiger tank.

Seems you like the game code of disabling the ground vehicles skins for your benefit. As I stated in a earlier post.  

I don't need to quote from million other posts.

I am saying the game coding needs to be fixed. And to remove the ability to disable skins on the ground vehicles.

Or just make a green camo skin the default skin color for the panzer and tiger. Such as one of these examples from the AH game.

Also would be nice to fix the panzer glow in the game coding.

My view on the Aces High II brown panzers and tiger tanks in the game. So suck it up.  

[1701E]

"I am saying the game coding needs to be fixed and remove the ability to disable skins on the ground vehicles. "


It's not always that people disable the skins.  If the computer looking at your tank in green camo does not have the skin downloaded it will show the default tan skin.  Some people don't download the skins for whatever reason, no time, don't want em, computer can't handle them, whatever the reason.  Short of the idea of giving us more then green grass or changing default skin it'd be hard to get it "fair".

On the argument of German tanks were historically tan...how is a P-51D fighting a P-38J historically accurate?  Just saying how is one change in the name of game's sake (which HTC has made some of those) going to hurt the game?  We have unlimited LA-7s with the 3 cannon setup (heard it was rare..?) we have unlimited Wirblewinds (wasn't it less then 120 made?).  Just saying one change in the sake of gameplay is hardly a big deal.

I'm all for historical accuracy, but it seems his would be easier to implement then changing terrain colors.  Also I don't know much of production numbers but I'm going off what I remember from around here about Wirbelwind/LA-7 so feel free to correct me, but my point still stands.

[Karnak]

Maybe when they update the Panzer IV H and Tiger I to AH2 graphics standards they'll make the default skin more green.